Four particles form a square with different charges

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The problem involves four charged particles arranged in a square formation, with specific charges assigned to each particle. The original poster seeks to determine the ratio of charges that results in zero net electrostatic force on two of the particles, as well as whether a specific charge value can achieve zero net force on all particles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of electrostatic force equations and vector notation. There is an exploration of the forces acting on the particles, particularly focusing on the interactions between specific pairs of charges.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify vector addition in the context of forces, while others suggest that visual aids, such as sketches, could enhance understanding. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the net forces on the particles might be zero, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating concepts related to vector forces and the symmetry of the charge arrangement. There is an assumption regarding the sign of one of the charges, which may influence the nature of the forces involved.

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Four particles form a square. The charges are q1= q4=Q and q2=q3=q. a) what is Q/q if the net electrostatic force on particles 1 and 4 is zero? B) is there any value of q that makes the net electrostatic force on each of the four particles zero? Explain.

Spending way too much time on this problem!

I know that Fnet = F1 + F2 +...

also F = K (absq1)(absq2)/ r^2

absolutely clueless
 
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Are you familiar with vector notation?
 
kind of not really
 
i think i got it but i don't understand why you are adding here to get the force of q4 on q1 here using cos and sin...F 41 = − Q⋅Q4πε 0 ⋅ 2a2 cos 45°iˆ + Q⋅Q/4π ε0 ⋅ 2a2 sin 45°
 
i think a sketch would help you to understand:

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I assumed that
q < 0​
so the forces
\vec F_{12}, \vec F_{13}​
are attractive! Of course
\vec F_{14}​
is repulsive!So if you are not familiar with vectors, we have to calculate the magnitude of
F_{12+13} = \sqrt{F_{12}^2 + F_{13}^2} = \sqrt{2} \cdot F_{12} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \rm{with} ~~~~~~ F_{12} = F_{13}​
Cause the forces F_{12+13} and F_{14} are antiparallel the requirement for your question is
F_{12+13} = F_{14}​
Because of the symmetrie of this problem, that's the only thing you have to show!
Hope i could help you!?
 
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thanks
 

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