Fourier Integral of the Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around the application of the second derivative operator, ## \partial^2_x ##, in the context of the Fourier integral of the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore the effects of this operator on functions represented in Fourier space, particularly focusing on the implications of operating with the exponential form of the operator.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the operator ## \partial^2_x ##, when applied to the term ## e^{-ikx} ##, results in a factor of ## -k^2 ##.
  • There is a discussion about the placement of the operator relative to the integral, with some participants emphasizing that it is to the left of the ## dk ## integral.
  • One participant proposes applying the operator directly to ## u_0(x) ## to demonstrate its effect, suggesting that this could clarify the operator's influence.
  • Another participant explains that applying ## e^{it \partial^2_x } ## to ## u_0(x) ## involves a Taylor expansion that leads to various powers of ## -k^2 ##.
  • There is a suggestion that one could express the second derivative of ## u_0(x) ## in terms of an integral involving ## e^{-ikx} ## and its Fourier transform, ## \tilde u_0(k) ##.
  • Participants discuss the need to keep the term ## e^{-ik^2t} ## inside the integral in the final expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the basic idea of how the operator acts, participants express differing views on the specifics of the application and the placement of terms in the integral. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to demonstrate the operator's effect.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the operator's placement or the handling of the exponential term in the integral, leaving some assumptions and mathematical steps unaddressed.

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So I am confused on the steps to find out how you would get to having the second order differential operator to k^2 in the exponent.
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The operator ## \partial^2_x ## is to the left of the ## dk ## integral. The only thing that is of importance here is the ## e^{-ikx} ## term in the integrand. If the operator were by itself, (not in an exponential), I think you can see you get ##-k^2 e^{-ikx} ## when it operates on this term. The effect of the ## \partial^2_x ## operator is ## -k^2 ##. The same thing applies when the operator is in an exponential.
 
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Charles Link said:
The operator ## \partial^2_x ## is to the left of the ## dk ## integral. The only thing that is of importance here is the ## e^{-ikx} ## term in the integrand. If the operator were by itself, (not in an exponential), I think you can see you get ##-k^2 e^{-ikx} ## when it operates on this term. The effect of the ## \partial^2_x ## operator is ## -k^2 ##. The same thing applies when the operator is in an exponential.

I see how the effect of the ## \partial^2_x ## operator is ## -k^2 ##, but what do you mean The operator ## \partial^2_x ## is to the left of the ## dk ## integral? To show this effect of ## \partial^2_x ## operator, could I apple the operator on ## u_0(x) ##? Then I could then say that the effect of the ## \partial^2_x ## operator is ## -k^2 ##.
 
Yes, you apply it to ##u_o(x) ##, and ## u_o(x) ## is a Fourier integral in ## dk ##. The only term in the integrand with an ## x ## is ## e^{-ikx} ##.
To clarify, you apply ##e^{it \partial^2_x } ## to ## u_o(x) ##. If you do a Taylor expansion on ##e^{it \partial^2_x } ## , you will get the various powers of ## \partial^2_x ## which result in various powers of ##-k^2 ## as the result. Those then go back up in the exponential and become ## e^{-it k^2} ##.
 
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Could I not just do ## \partial^2_x u_0(x) = - \int e^{-ikx}k^2 \tilde u_0(k) \, dk ##. Then I can say that the derivative produces a pre-factor of ## (-ik) ##. Then replace this pre-factor with the ## \partial^2_x ## in the exponent?
 
I think you have the basic idea. You need to operate on ## u_o(x) ## with ##e^{it \partial^2_x } ## though, and the result is ## e^{-it k^2} ##.
 
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I think you have the basic idea. You need to operate on ## u_o(x) ## with ##e^{it \partial^2_x } ## though, and the result is ## e^{-it k^2} ##.

Oh I see. Like this:
##e^{it \partial^2_x } (u_0(x)) = e^{it \partial^2_x } (\int e^{-ikx} \tilde u_0(k) \, dk) ##
##e^{it \partial^2_x } (u_0(x)) = \int e^{it \partial^2_x }(e^{-ikx}) \tilde u_0(k) \, dk ##
##e^{it \partial^2_x } (u_0(x)) = \int e^{kt \partial_x }(e^{-ikx}) \tilde u_0(k) \, dk ##
##e^{it \partial^2_x } (u_0(x)) = \int e^{-ik^2t}e^{-ikx} \tilde u_0(k) \, dk ##
##e^{it \partial^2_x } (u_0(x)) =e^{-ik^2t} \int e^{-ikx} \tilde u_0(k) \, dk ##
Therefore, I can see the operator ## \partial^2_x ## gives the result of ## -k^2 ##.
Correct?
 
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Yes. One minor correction though: In the last line, the ## e^{-ik^2t} ## needs to stay inside the integral.
 

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