Fourier Transform of a Square Annulus

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the Fourier transform of a square annulus, which is described as the square analog of a circular annulus. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and techniques to derive the Fourier transform analytically, including the use of delta functions and convolution methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Fourier transform of a circular annulus results in a Bessel function, while the Fourier transform of a square aperture yields a sinc function.
  • Another participant suggests representing the square annulus as a large square minus a smaller square, implying that the Fourier transform would be the difference of two sincs.
  • A different viewpoint expresses concern that this approach does not yield a true delta function, indicating a desire for a more precise representation of the annulus.
  • One participant proposes using the derivative of a two-dimensional box function to achieve a more tractable solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that the problem is separable and suggests using delta functions to represent the function, leading to a product of cosine functions in the Fourier transform.
  • A later reply shares numerical results for the Fourier transforms of a square and a square annulus, noting that the analytical limit appears to yield zero, which raises questions about the techniques being employed.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier function representation and provides a corrected formulation involving a sum of line segments, suggesting that the Fourier transform can be computed in stages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to compute the Fourier transform of the square annulus, with no consensus reached on a definitive method. Several competing ideas are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention challenges related to the analytical limits of their proposed methods and the complexity of integrals in polar coordinates, indicating potential limitations in their approaches.

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Hello all. I'm trying to compute the Fourier transform of a square annulus analytically. A "square annulus" would be the square analog of an infinitely thing ring (circular annulus). Here's what I know:

The Fourier transform of a circular annulus is a Bessel function. In polar coordinates,

[tex]\int_0^\infty\int_0^{2 \pi}\!\delta(r-a)e^{i k r \cos{\theta}}r\,\mathrm{d}r \,\mathrm{d}\theta=2 \pi J_0(ka)[/tex]

The Fourier transform of a square aperture is a sinc function:
[tex]\int_{-1/2}^{1/2}\int_{-1/2}^{1/2}e^{i(k_x + k_y y)}\mathrm{d}x\,\mathrm{d}y=\frac{4\sin\left(\frac{k_x}{2}\right)\sin\left(\frac{k_y}{2}\right)}{k_x k_y}[/tex]

I was thinking of maybe convolving the functions to get the correct output, but I'm not so sure. Any ideas on how to solve the square annulus problem?
 
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Try writing your annulus as a large square box minus a smaller square box. The FT will be the difference of two sincs.
 
I don't know if that quite does it. In that case, the annulus still has some thickness... I want it to be a true delta function.

I think that if one could take the derivative of the two dimensional box function and use that, then maybe something tractable might pop out...
 
Ah, I missed that you wanted a square line of infinitesimal thickness. In that case use delta functions. The problem is separable--that is, you can transform x and y separately because your function has the form
[tex]f(x,y)=g(x)h(y)[/tex]
where g and h are each the sum of two delta functions. Here's g
[tex]g(x)=a[\delta(x+x0)+\delta(x-x0)].[/tex]
The transform will be the product F(kx,ky)=G(kx)H(ky), where G and H each are cosines.
 
So this is getting trickier. I have attached two files: One is the Fourier transform of just a "square", and the other a "square annulus". I did these two numerically.

If you make something like

[tex]\frac{4 \sin\left(\frac{k_x}{2}\right) \sin\left(\frac{k_y}{2}\right)}{k_x k_y}-\frac{4 \sin\left(0.999\frac{k_x}{2}\right) \sin\left(0.999\frac{k_y}{2}\right)}{k_x k_y}[/tex]

You get the correct answer as you get closer to 1. However, there doesn't seem to be a way to do the limit analytically... (just get zero)

Separating the Fourier transform as suggested seems to produce a periodic sinusoidal "lattice", which is also not quite the correct answer.

There must be some technique I'm missing... maybe a way to do Fourier transforms piecewise, or some strange coordinate. I tried making this delta function box in polar coordinates but the integrals were too nasty.
 

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Sorry, you are right, I flubbed the function f. It is a sum of four line segments, each of finite length.
[tex]f(x,y)=a[\delta(x+x_0)+\delta(x-x_0)]rect\left(\frac{y}{2y_0}\right)+a[\delta(y+y_0)+\delta(y-y_0)]rect\left(\frac{x}{2x_0}\right).[/tex]
Now do the x transform of f(x,y), then do the y transform of the result. You will get the sum of two terms, each of which is a product of a sinc times a cosine.

Sorry again to lead you astray.
 

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