Fourier Transforms, Green's function, Helmholtz

[ognik]

Homework Statement

I've gotten myself mixed up here , appreciate some insights ...

Using Fourier Transforms, shows that Greens function satisfying the nonhomogeneous Helmholtz eqtn
$$ \left(\nabla ^2 +k_0^2 \right) G(\vec{r_1},\vec{r_2})= -\delta (\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2}) \:is\: G(\vec{r_1},\vec{r_2})= \frac{1}{{2\pi}^{3}} \int \frac{e^{i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})}}{k^2 - k_0^2} d^3k $$

Homework Equations

$$ \left(\nabla ^2 +k_0^2 \right) G(\vec{r_1},\vec{r_2})= -\delta (\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2}) $$

The Attempt at a Solution

Taking the Fourier Transforms:
LHS: $$F\left[ \nabla^2G+k_0^2 G \right] = (- k^2 +k_0^2) \hat{u} $$
RHS: $$F\left[ -\delta (\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2}) \right] = - \int 1 e^{-i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})} d^3r $$

$$ \therefore \hat{u} = \int \frac{1}{(k^2 - k_0^2)} e^{i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})} d^3r = \frac{1}{ik(k^2 - k_0^2)} e^{i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})}$$

$$ \therefore G(\vec{r_1},\vec{r_2})= F^{-1} \left[\frac{1}{ik(k^2 - k_0^2)} e^{i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})} \right] = \frac{1}{{(2\pi)}^{3}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{1}{ik(k^2 - k_0^2)} e^{i\vec{k}.(\vec{r_1} -\vec{r_2})} e^{ik.r}d^3k$$

 

[Orodruin]

First of all, you must decide which variable you are keeping fixed in your Fourier transformation. In this case, the PDE is in terms of $\vec r_1$ and $\vec r_2$ is a constant. You may want to call them $\vec r$ and $\vec r_0$ instead to emphasise this.

Second, the Fourier transform of the delta function is not an integral - or rather, it is an integral which is trivial to perform. Because of your notation, it is unclear what you mean by the integral you give. The Fourier transform you should be interested in is
$$
F[-\delta(\vec r - \vec r')] = -\int e^{-i \vec k\cdot \vec r} \delta(\vec r - \vec r') dV = - e^{-i\vec k \cdot \vec r'}.
$$
You should be able to take it from there.

 

[ognik]

Awesome, thanks, I clearly need to better understand about the variables in play - may I please get some confirmation of what I have absorbed ...using r₁ and r₀ as you suggested - and I think r, r₁ & r₀ are all vectors?

The formula I have for a 3D FT is $$ F[f(r)] ≡ f ̃(ω)= ∫_{-∞}^∞ f(r) e^{-iω.r} d^3 r $$

In the above problem (I'm a bit mixed up, sorry) should I be using r or r₁?

Then you use r and r' for the FT of \delta, shouldn't that (for this problem) be $$ F[-\delta (r_1 - r_0)]=- \int e^{-ik.r} \delta (r_{1} - r_{0})] d^3r = e^{-ik.r} $$
(and I think I want the r in the exponent to be r₀?)

For the inverse transform, I have $$ F^{-1} [\tilde{f} (ω)] ≡ f (r)= \frac{1}{(2\pi)^3} ∫_{-∞}^∞ \tilde{f}(\omega) e^{+iω.r} d^3 \omega $$

What lead to this doubt was I could see that the (r₁ - r₀) emerged from the product of the 2 exponents, but I keep mixing up r, r₁ & r₀ - so would prefer to be certain and not guess. Thanks again, important for me this.

 

[ognik]

Hi would really appreciate if someone could briefly check my thoughts above - let me know if they're right, let me know what's wrong ...thanks

 

[vela]

Awesome, thanks, I clearly need to better understand about the variables in play - may I please get some confirmation of what I have absorbed ...using r₁ and r₀ as you suggested - and I think r, r₁ & r₀ are all vectors?

Actually, he suggested you use $\vec{r}$ and $\vec{r}_0$ instead of $\vec{r}_1$ and $\vec{r}_2$, so the original equation becomes
$$(\nabla^2 + k_0^2)G(\vec{r},\vec{r_0}) = -\delta(\vec{r}-\vec{r}_0).$$ Clearly, $\vec{r}$ is the variable, so multiply both sides by $e^{-i \vec{k}\cdot \vec{r}}$ and integrate to compute the Fourier transforms.

The formula I have for a 3D FT is $$ F[f(r)] ≡ f ̃(ω)= ∫_{-∞}^∞ f(r) e^{-iω.r} d^3 r $$

In the above problem (I'm a bit mixed up, sorry) should I be using r or r₁?

Then you use r and r' for the FT of \delta, shouldn't that (for this problem) be $$ F[-\delta (r_1 - r_0)]=- \int e^{-ik.r} \delta (r_{1} - r_{0})] d^3r = e^{-ik.r} $$
(and I think I want the r in the exponent to be r₀?)

For the inverse transform, I have $$ F^{-1} [\tilde{f} (ω)] ≡ f (r)= \frac{1}{(2\pi)^3} ∫_{-∞}^∞ \tilde{f}(\omega) e^{+iω.r} d^3 \omega $$

What lead to this doubt was I could see that the (r₁ - r₀) emerged from the product of the 2 exponents, but I keep mixing up r, r₁ & r₀ - so would prefer to be certain and not guess. Thanks again, important for me this.

 

[ognik]

Thanks Vela, indeed Orodruin did, and I am not seeing my r's clearly, but for the delta function part he used r and r'... should I instead use r and $r_0$?

 

[vela]

Just be consistent. What's the argument of the delta function in
$$(\nabla^2 + k_0^2)G(\vec{r},\vec{r_0}) = -\delta(\vec{r}-\vec{r}_0)?$$