Free Fall: Does an Object Reach Speed of Light?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of free fall and whether an object can reach the speed of light under gravitational acceleration. Participants explore the implications of Einstein's theory of relativity, particularly in the context of objects in free fall, particle accelerators, and extreme gravitational environments such as black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that in free fall, an object accelerates indefinitely under gravity, questioning whether it could eventually reach the speed of light.
  • Others point out that as an object's speed increases, its relativistic mass also increases, leading to diminishing acceleration as it approaches the speed of light, suggesting that reaching light speed is impossible.
  • One participant notes that the gravitational acceleration (g=9.81 m/s²) is only valid near Earth's surface and varies with distance, implying that no object can exceed escape velocity, which is less than the speed of light.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of particles in particle accelerators, where relativistic effects must be considered, and acceleration is not constant.
  • Some participants raise scenarios involving black holes and the behavior of particles like neutrons and neutrinos, questioning how mass and gravity interact in extreme conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of speed depending on the observer's frame of reference, particularly in the context of black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether an object in free fall can reach the speed of light, with some asserting it cannot due to relativistic effects, while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Limitations include assumptions about gravitational acceleration, the definition of speed in different frames of reference, and the complexities of relativistic physics that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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In free fall, there is no air resistance, so the only force acting upon the object of free fall would only be its weight.

Now the question is, if an object keeps accelerating due to free fall, wouldn't it eventually reach the speed of light? For example, Earth's g=9.81 m/s^2, so over a course of time, it would eventually accelerate to the speed of light (considering the fact that the object would never hit the ground.)

So since Einstein proclaimed that NOTHING that has mass can travel at the speed of light, wouldn't this prove him wrong?
 
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The same situation exists in a particle accelerator. As the speed increases, the mass increases (and has been measured for particles near the speed of light). As the speed approaches the speed of light, it gets very large indeed and so the acceleration approaches zero. There are some other problems with accelerators - notably EM radiation draining away the kinetic energy - but it certainly appears that c cannot be reached.
 
yes. the short answer is that intuition simply breaks down for particles traveling near speed of light, and the acceleration is not constant 9.8 anymore. You have to use different equations that correct for relativistic effects.
 
aaron35510 said:
Now the question is, if an object keeps accelerating due to free fall, wouldn't it eventually reach the speed of light? For example, Earth's g=9.81 m/s^2,
g=9.81 is only valid near Earth's surface. It varies with distance. Even in Newtonian mechanics nothing falling towards the Earth could reach more than the Earth's escape velocity, which is not even close to the speed of light.

aaron35510 said:
So since Einstein proclaimed that NOTHING that has mass can travel at the speed of light, wouldn't this prove him wrong?
Yes. And if apples where flying up from the ground to the tree it would prove Newton wrong. But neither one was observed so far.
 
What about the case of a neutron falling into a black hole? Wouldn't the increase in mass also correspond to an increase in gravity, so maintaining or increasing the rate of acceleration? Or the case of a positron and electron collision?
 
Jeff Reid said:
Wouldn't the increase in mass also correspond to an increase in gravity, so maintaining or increasing the rate of acceleration?
Increase in mass also corresponds to an increase in inertia. Even in Newtonian mechanics the mass of a body is irrelevant for its acceleration by gravity.

There really are better ways to accelerate stuff than by gravity, but nothing will accelerate stuff beyond the speed of light.
 
Jeff Reid said:
What about the case of a neutron falling into a black hole? Wouldn't the increase in mass also correspond to an increase in gravity, so maintaining or increasing the rate of acceleration? Or the case of a positron and electron collision?

speed is ill-defined unless you specify what the observer is. If the observer is falling in the block hole with the particle, he/she would not measure anything greater than c. For anyone outside the horizon, you simple can't measure the speed (i.e. there is no well defined speed).
 
Mephisto said:
yes. the short answer is that intuition simply breaks down for particles traveling near speed of light, and the acceleration is not constant 9.8 anymore. You have to use different equations that correct for relativistic effects.

so in this case, how do you calculate the relativistic acceleration of a free falling object?
 
tim_lou said:
speed is ill-defined unless you specify what the observer is. If the observer is falling in the block hole with the particle, he/she would not measure anything greater than c. For anyone outside the horizon, you simple can't measure the speed (i.e. there is no well defined speed).

Plus, aren't neutrinos mass-less particles anyway?
 

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