Free relativistic particle (wave function)

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The discussion revolves around the time evolution of the wave function for a free relativistic particle, described by the Hamiltonian \( H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4} \). Participants explore the relationship between the wave function at time \( t=0 \) and its evolution over time, particularly through the time-dependent Schrödinger equation in momentum space.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss how to express the wave function in momentum space and the implications of Fourier transforms. Questions arise regarding the determination of the initial momentum space wave function \( \phi_0(k) \) from the spatial wave function \( \psi_0(x) \). There is also exploration of the form of the time-dependent wave function and the correct application of the Schrödinger equation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the Fourier transform process and the time evolution of the wave function. Some participants have suggested potential forms for the wave function at time \( t>0 \) and have pointed out the need to be cautious with variable substitutions in the Fourier transforms.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic quantum mechanics and the implications of using the time-dependent Schrödinger equation. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of equations and transformations, particularly concerning the relationship between momentum \( p \) and wave number \( k \).

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The hamiltonian of a free relativistic particle moving along the x-axis is taken to be [tex]H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}[/tex] where [tex]p[/tex] is the momentum operator. If the state of the wave function at time [tex]t=0[/tex] is described by the wave function [tex]\psi_0(x)[/tex] what is the wave function at time [tex]t>0[/tex] Hint: solve the time-dependent Schrödinger equation in momentum space. The answer can be left in the form of an integral.

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In momentum space [tex]\psi(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_k \phi(k) e^{i k x}[/tex]
does this mean that [tex]\psi_0(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_k \phi_0(k) e^{i k x}[/tex]
and how do i know what [tex]\phi_0(k)[/tex] is?

Is the right answer something in form of [tex]\psi_0(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_k \phi_0(k) e^{i k x}e^{i E t/\hbar}[/tex] where i just kind of write down the usual derivation of the time-dependent schrödinger equation?
 
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You can get [itex]\phi_0(k)[/itex] from [itex]\psi_0(x)[/itex] by taking its Fourier transform.

Your final answer will involve a double integral, and come from

[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\oint\phi(k,t)e^{ikx}dx[/tex]

You will need to determine [itex]\phi(k,t)[/itex] from [itex]\phi_0(k)[/itex] by solving the time-dependent Schroedinger equation.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
You can get [itex]\phi_0(k)[/itex] from [itex]\psi_0(x)[/itex] by taking its Fourier transform.

So i get [tex]\phi_0(p)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_k \psi_0(x) e^{i p x}[/tex] ?

gabbagabbahey said:
Your final answer will involve a double integral, and come from

[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\oint\phi(k,t)e^{ikx}dx[/tex]

You will need to determine [itex]\phi(k,t)[/itex] from [itex]\phi_0(k)[/itex] by solving the time-dependent Schroedinger equation.

Then i solve the time dependent as following:
[tex]H\phi_0 = E \phi_0 \,[/tex] where [tex]H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}[/tex]Is it so, that:
[tex]\phi(p,\,t)= A(t) \phi_0(p) \[/tex]
which leads to
[tex]\Phi(p,\,t) = \phi_0(p) e^{-i{E t/\hbar}} \,[/tex]
and then
[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int dpe^{-i{E t/\hbar}}e^{ip x} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} (\int \psi_0(x) e^{i p x} dx)[/tex]
 
Is this correct? It seems to be ok to me.
 
bjogae said:
Then i solve the time dependent as following:
[tex]H\phi_0 = E \phi_0 \,[/tex] where [tex]H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}[/tex]

No, that's the time-independent Schroedinger equation...
 
gabbagabbahey said:
No, that's the time-independent Schroedinger equation...

Of course. So the time dependent looks like
[tex]i \hbar{\partial \over \partial t} \phi(p,\,t) = \hat H \phi(p,\,t)[/tex]
and for
[tex]\hat H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}[/tex]
it gives
[tex]\phi(p,\,t) = \phi(p,\,0)e^{-i\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}t/\hbar}[/tex]
which would lead to (by the previous reasoning)
[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int dpe^{-i\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}t/\hbar}e^{ip x} (\int \psi_0(x) e^{i p x} dx)[/tex]
is this the answer?
 
bjogae said:
Of course. So the time dependent looks like
[tex]i \hbar{\partial \over \partial t} \phi(p,\,t) = \hat H \phi(p,\,t)[/tex]
and for
[tex]\hat H=\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}[/tex]
it gives
[tex]\phi(p,\,t) = \phi(p,\,0)e^{-i\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}t/\hbar}[/tex]

Good:approve:

which would lead to (by the previous reasoning)
[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int dpe^{-i\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}t/\hbar}e^{ip x} (\int \psi_0(x) e^{i p x} dx)[/tex]
is this the answer?

Be careful, [itex]k=\frac{p}{\hbar}[/itex]...so when you rewrite your Fourier transforms in terms of [itex]p[/itex] instead of [itex]k[/itex], you should get some [itex]\hbar[/itex]s in there somewhere.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Good:approve:



Be careful, [itex]k=\frac{p}{\hbar}[/itex]...so when you rewrite your Fourier transforms in terms of [itex]p[/itex] instead of [itex]k[/itex], you should get some [itex]\hbar[/itex]s in there somewhere.

one more try

[tex]\psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{2\pi\hbar}\int dpe^{-i\sqrt{p^2c^2+m^2c^4}t/\\hbar}e^{ip x/\hbar} (\int \psi_0(x) e^{i p x/\hbar} dx)[/tex]
which shold be correct if
[tex]k=\frac{p}{\hbar}[/tex]
 
Looks good to me!:approve:
 

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