Freefall chord through the Earth -- calculus proof

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The discussion revolves around proving that freefalling through the Earth takes the same amount of time regardless of the angle of entry. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying physics and mathematics rather than relying solely on external references or videos. Key points include deriving equations related to gravitational forces and motion, with a focus on the relationship between acceleration and distance from the Earth's center. The conversation highlights the necessity of working through problems methodically to grasp the concepts fully. Ultimately, the participants encourage a deeper engagement with the calculus involved in the proof.
  • #31
I would suggest you need to work more methodically rather than in short snippets. You have to answer the following questions:
  1. What is the magnitude of the force on a mass ##m## at a distance ##r## from the center?
  2. What are its components in the different directions?
  3. Can you write down Newton's second law for each component of the motion?
You should note that when you write down 3, you obtain equations of motion for each component that is independent of the other components. This is key. The resulting differential equation for each component should be easily solvable if you are familiar with basic ODEs.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
That is dimensionally wrong, so cannot be right.
There should be an x in there. Check your working. If you can’t find the error, post it.
sorry i mean 9.8x/R=a
 
  • #33
achap01 said:
sorry i mean 9.8x/R=a
Ok, nearly there!
So write the differential equation relating ##x## to ##\ddot x##.

But it is better to leave it as "g". If you substitute a numeric value you should include units.
 
  • #34
haruspex said:
Ok, nearly there!
So write the differential equation relating ##x## to ##\ddot x##.

But it is better to leave it as "g". If you substitute a numeric value you should include units.
would ẍ just be the second derivative of x with respect to time, so ẍ=a=9.8x/R?
 
  • #35
achap01 said:
would ẍ just be the second derivative of x with respect to time, so ẍ=a=9.8x/R?
Almost, but watch the signs. If we take x as going from ##x=-L## to ##x=+L## then when ##x<0## the acceleration is positive. Correcting that, do you recognise the form of the ODE?

Please use "g", not "9.8".
 
  • #36
so the ODE would be ẍ=a=-gx/R? Im a little confused
 
  • #37
achap01 said:
so the ODE would be ẍ=a=-gx/R? Im a little confused
Yes, or to put it in its more standard form, ##\ddot x+\frac gRx=0##.
Do you recognise that form?
 
  • #38
haruspex said:
Yes, or to put it in its more standard form, ##\ddot x+\frac gRx=0##.
Do you recognise that form?
harmonic motion, so angular frequency (rate of oscillation) would be g/R, which have a derivative of 0 with respect to theta?
 
  • #39
achap01 said:
harmonic motion, so angular frequency (rate of oscillation) would be g/R, which have a derivative of 0 with respect to theta?
Bingo.
 
  • #40
Not quite. The angular frequency is ##\omega =\sqrt{g/R}.##
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
Bingo.
is there an online or a video proof of this that i can get
 
  • #42
What exactly do you want to prove?
 

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