Frequency analysis of transistor amplifiers

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The discussion revolves around the frequency analysis of transistor amplifiers, specifically focusing on calculations related to circuit parameters such as collector current, voltage gain, and pole frequencies. Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves theoretical and practical aspects of amplifier design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks assistance, specifically regarding the values of resistors and capacitors in the circuit.
  • Another participant suggests revisiting the calculation for the collector resistor (R_C) and emphasizes the importance of labeling known and desired transistor terminal voltages for clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the notation used in the calculations, particularly regarding the equation for the emitter capacitor (C_e) and whether it was correctly interpreted in the document.
  • A participant explains the role of the emitter resistor (R_e) in introducing negative feedback and how it interacts with the emitter bypass capacitor (C_e) to affect gain.
  • Further clarification is provided about the term "re" in relation to transconductance and its significance in the context of the transistor's operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations presented. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of the equations and the significance of certain components in the circuit design.

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Some calculations and assumptions are not fully detailed, and there is ambiguity in the notation used for certain parameters, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and approaches to the homework problem.

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Hi guys,

I am trying to do this question on my own but i am not confident if what i am doing is correct. please download the Question2.docx file and my workings are in blue. hope someone can help me with this.

1. Homework Statement
A.
For circuit (a) below, calculate:
R_e and R_C to make I_C≈0.2 mA and V_CE≈6V.
C_e to give a pole frequency at about 400 Hz, and C_C to give a pole at about 50 Hz.

The oscilloscope input resistance is 1 MΩ. For initial calculations assume C_μ= 5pF and C_(CRO + cable)= 110 pF. (These will be measured in the lab.) The generator resistance is 50Ω, which may be taken as a good approximation to zero for this experiment. Moreover, the input will be monitored across the generator and its voltage kept constant, so it may be treated as an ideal voltage source.

Estimate the voltage gain, the frequency of the zero introduced by C_e, and the upper 3-dB frequency f_h. What is the voltage gain if C_e is omitted?
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B. Circuit (b) is to be inserted in series at point B to buffer the load capacitance. Calculate R to give a collector current of about 1.2 mA. Assuming a 'typical' value for h_fe, recalculate f_h. Is the pole frequency introduced by C_C significantly affected?

C. Leaving circuit (b) in place, a 10 kΩ resistor is inserted at point A (simulating a higher source resistance than that of the generator). Recalculate f_h. Is the pole frequency introduced by C_e affected?

The Attempt at a Solution


Question 2.docx
 

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...my workings are in blue.

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I was not able to detect any attempt to start solving the problem.
 
I think you should revisit the calc for Rc. It may help to label the known and desired transistor terminal voltages. Then, knowing the Collector voltage & current, you can calc Rc.

The calc for Ce shows up here as "(omega)e=1reCe", is this what was intended or is my .docx reader confused?
 
Hi LvW,

My workings are all in the Question 2.docx it is too long winded thus I have already upload my whole questions and workings in the document file. You have download it to see my effort.
 
Tom.G said:
I think you should revisit the calc for Rc. It may help to label the known and desired transistor terminal voltages. Then, knowing the Collector voltage & current, you can calc Rc.

The calc for Ce shows up here as "(omega)e=1reCe", is this what was intended or is my .docx reader confused?
Hi Tom,

Yes this was my attempt. Thank your for your prompt. I will look into it again.
 
After you revisit the Rc value and the "(omega)e" equation:

Note that Re acts to introduce negative feedback in the stage, i.e. when the base voltage goes up, increasing the collector current, the emitter voltage rises due to the increased current thru Re. This rise in emitter voltage partially cancels the base voltage increase, effectively reducing the stage gain. The purpose of an emitter bypass capacitor is to avoid this emitter voltage rise; at least for a time. All these words work up to saying that the Ce value works with Re to reduce that negative feedback. Your "(omega)e" calculation references re', which is internal to the transistor and not accessible.
 
Tom.G said:
Your "(omega)e" calculation references re', which is internal to the transistor and not accessible.

Perhaps - for a better understanding - you should realize that "re" is NOT any internal resistance. I know that, unfortunately, some authors are using such a term instead of the most important property of the BJT, which is a transconductance device: Transconductance gm=d(Ic)/d(Vbe)=Ic/Vt with re=1/gm.
As we can see, the quantity re=1/gm relates the output current change to the input voltage change - and this does not correspond to the classical definition of a resistance.
 

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