Frequency Domain Analysis - the math

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical aspects of Frequency Domain Analysis as presented in Control Theory, specifically focusing on the evaluation of a constant 'a' from a given equation and the substitution of 's' values in the context of Laplace transforms.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the constant 'a' is derived from Equation (8-2) and requests clarification on the substitution of 's = -jω.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative method for finding 'a' by substituting 's = -jω' and notes that substituting 's = jω' yields a different value, referred to as 'a bar.'
  • A later reply indicates that evaluating the limits as 's' approaches '-jω' and 'jω' provides values for 'a' and 'a bar,' but questions the necessity of these evaluations.
  • Another participant states that the process is a mathematical method for obtaining coefficients and suggests factorizing the denominator into complex factors to proceed with the inverse Laplace transform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation of 'a' and the reasoning behind the substitutions, indicating that multiple perspectives and methods are being discussed without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mathematical steps involved in deriving 'a' and the implications of substituting specific values for 's,' which remain unresolved.

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I am studying Control Theory from Ogata. My math is a little rusty, so this is a math question about Frequency Domain Analysis.

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I get everything upto Equation 8-4

However I don't get the line after that.

The line "where the constant a can be evaluated from Equation (8-2) as follows"

And they write the value of a.

How is
a = G(s) (ωX) /(s^2 + ω^2).

How do they arrive at this value of a?

Can someone help?

And why did they substitute s = -jω after that?
 
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here is another way

http://img41.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img41/4643/12112011130.jpg

i put s = - jw to get value of a, if you put s = jw you will get the value of a bar
 
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reddvoid said:
here is another way

http://img41.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img41/4643/12112011130.jpg

i put s = - jw to get value of a, if you put s = jw you will get the value of a bar

Thank you. That's a little clearer.

You get values of a & abar by evaluating the limit as s = -jω & s = jω

However, I still don't get why you evaluate these limits?
 
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Its simply a mathematical way of obtaining the coefficients. You can simply factorize the denominator into complex factors and proceed to obtain the inverse laplace transform.
 

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