Friction and kinematics problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving friction and the motion of a mass being pulled along a horizontal surface. The original poster is trying to determine the minimum time required to move a 50 kg weight over a distance of 10 meters, considering the limitations of the pulling force and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rearrange equations to solve for time but struggles with determining the net force due to friction. Some participants question the assumptions about the direction and constancy of the force applied.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the force and whether the weight must come to rest at the end of the motion. Some guidance has been offered on using acceleration equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the assumptions being made.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the conditions under which the force is applied, specifically whether it is horizontal and constant. The original problem is taken directly from a textbook, which may impose specific constraints not fully articulated in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


What minimum time is required to move a weight of mass 50 kg over a distance of 10 meters along a horizontal floor if the rope used to pull it breaks when the tension exceeds 20kgf, while a force of 10kgf is sufficient to start the weight moving or move it uniformly, overcoming the force of friction?

Homework Equations



$$v = \frac{x}{t} = at = \frac{\Sigma F}{m}t$$

Where ##v## is the velocity of the object, ##x## is the horizontal distance covered, ##t## is the time in motion (what we are trying to solve for), ##a## is acceleration of the object and ##\Sigma F## is the net force on the object.

The Attempt at a Solution


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I rearranged the equation for ##t##, giving me

$$t = \sqrt{\frac{mx}{\Sigma F}}$$

However, I am having trouble figuring out the net force. I know the tension is acting to the right with a force of 10kgf, and I know ##f_s\leq10 kgf##. What would the kinetic friction be though? Using this, I can do ##T-f_k## to find the net force on the object.
 
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stackptr said:
Relevant equations

$$v = \frac{x}{t} = at = \frac{\Sigma F}{m}t$$
No. v=at is correct for constant acceleration, but x=vt is only correct for constant velocity, so will not apply here.
 
stackptr said:
the tension is acting to the right with a force of 10kgf
Horizontally?
 
haruspex said:
Horizontally?
Yes
 
haruspex said:
No. v=at is correct for constant acceleration, but x=vt is only correct for constant velocity, so will not apply here.
So what equations would we be able to use here?
 
stackptr said:
Yes
It doesn't say so.
stackptr said:
So what equations would we be able to use here?
Suppose the force is constant for at least part of the time. What does that say about the acceleration? What equations do you know for that condition?

One thing is not clear... does the weight have to finish at rest at the desired position?
 
haruspex said:
does the weight have to finish at rest at the desired position?

I guess so, this is the whole problem I copied word for word from a textbook.

Anyway we could use a = F/m to find acceleration, if it is constant
 
stackptr said:
I guess so, this is the whole problem I copied word for word from a textbook.
It is a lot tougher if it has to finish at rest, so for now I recommend you do not require that. We can address that later if you wish.
stackptr said:
Anyway we could use a = F/m to find acceleration, if it is constant
You are making two assumptions. First, that the force is horizontal; you are not told it is horizontal, and it will turn out that the minimum time is not with a horizontal force.
Second, that the force is constant; since we are not requiring the mass to arrive at rest that is reasonable - you might as well use the maximum acceleration all the way.
 

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