Friction between sled and rider

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The problem involves a sledding scenario where Ginny rides a sled pulled by her dog, Foo. The focus is on the static friction between Ginny and the sled, as well as between the sled and the snow. The goal is to determine the minimum mass Ginny must have to avoid slipping off the sled when it is in motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive a relationship for Ginny's mass based on the coefficients of static friction and the masses involved. Some participants question the normal force acting on the sled and its relationship to the forces at play, while others seek clarification on the vertical forces and their balance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the forces acting on the sled and questioning the assumptions about the normal force. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the balance of forces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are no numerical values provided in the problem, which may affect the clarity of the discussion regarding the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


Ginny has a plan. She is going to ride her sled while her dog Foo pulls her, and she holds on to his leash. However, Ginny hasn’t taken physics, so there may be a problem: she may slide right off the sled when Foo starts pulling.

The sled has mass m, and Ginny has mass M. The coefficient

of static friction between the sled and the snow is μ1, and μ2 is

the corresponding quantity for static friction between the sled and

her snow pants. Ginny must have a certain minimum mass so that

she will not slip off the sled. Find this in terms of the other three

variables.

i figure it would be M= m mu1/mu2 but the answer isn't being accepted, any help would be greatly appreciated

here was my logic Mgmu1= mgmu2 the g cancels out and you solve for big M, I am doing something wrong but don't know what, first time physics student here
 
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SillyYak said:
Mgmu1= mgmu2
What is the normal force between the sled and the snow?
 
would it not be equaled to mg the sled and snow have a zero angle
 
SillyYak said:
would it not be equaled to mg the sled and snow have a zero angle
what are the vertical forces on the sled? Are they in balance?
 
yes i believe so, she is having her dog pull her on level ground, the is no vertical net forces
 
SillyYak said:
yes i believe so, she is having her dog pull her on level ground, the is no vertical net forces
I asked what they are.
 
its mg and n there's no values stated in the problem
 
SillyYak said:
its mg and n there's no values stated in the problem
I don't care about the values, I just wanted a descriptive list.
By "n" I assume you mean the normal force from the snow. What about the girl? Isn't she sitting on it?
 

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