Friction Force Help: Solving Problem 1

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a crate being dragged across a floor, focusing on the forces at play, specifically friction and acceleration. The problem includes two parts: calculating the minimum force required to start the crate moving and determining the initial acceleration once it is in motion.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about how to approach the problem and requests guidance. Some participants discuss the calculations for part (a) and question the validity of the approach used. Others provide insights into the forces acting on the crate and suggest methods for determining the normal force and frictional forces involved.

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Hello everyone,

I have have no clue on how to go about this problem here, if someone can explain how to go about these it would be great! THANK YOU ALL!

Problem 1:

A 62 kg crate is dragged across a floor by pulling on a rope attached to the crate and inclined 15° above the horizontal.
(a) If the coefficient of static friction is 0.51, what minimum force magnitude is required from the rope to start the crate moving?
(b) If µk = 0.36, what is the magnitude of the initial acceleration of the crate?
m/s2
 
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Ok so i found a) by using T = mg*u / cos x + sin x * u

yielding => 282.23 Newtons,

trying to find B) can anyone help?

EDIT: Just a little help to get me moving is good enough, PLEASE SOMEONE HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
 
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still no post ?
 
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So no ones going to help me, thanks a lot
 
I think your part (a) is wrong.

Where did you get this?

T = mg*u / cos x + sin x * u
 
No question a is correct i already put it in webassign, (a online physics homework thing for college). for b i just asked my professor, it was pretty simple. Using F = ma
F = Fnet while in motion

Thanks anyway dude :smile:
 
adp5025 said:
Ok so i found a) by using T = mg*u / cos x + sin x * u

yielding => 282.23 Newtons,

trying to find B) can anyone help?

EDIT: Just a little help to get me moving is good enough, PLEASE SOMEONE HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

It strikes me as somewhat odd that you found the answer to a), but can't get b). Can I assume the T equation was something from your book? (Otherwise I can't figure out how you got it!)


b) The object has a normal force (N) and a weight (w) in the vertical direction. I took the applied force (F) to be acting up and to the right, so the friction force (f) will be acting to the left. I choose a coordinate system with +x to the right and +y upward.

As is typical with a friction problem, you will need to do the net force in the y direction, so do that first:
\sum F_y=Fsin \theta +N-w=0
So you can find N.
In the x direction we note that the box is presumed to be sliding, so we are using kinetic friction. f_k= \mu_kN so we have:
\sum F_x=Fcos \theta-f_k=ma.

Plug in for kinetic friction and the normal force and solve for a.

To do a) you basically do the same thing. The difference is that we are looking at a stationary situation, so we use static friction. Since we are looking for the minimum force required, we are using maximum static friction and a=0 in the limit. This will allow you to derive the equation you used for part a).

-Dan
 

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