Frictionless shove - kinetic energy and momentum

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving two individuals, Edward and Jacob, who push off each other on frictionless ice. Due to Jacob's greater mass, Edward moves faster after the push, which can be explained using the conservation of momentum principle (Pi = Pf). The kinetic energy equation (K = 1/2mv²) also supports this conclusion, indicating that for equal kinetic energies, Edward's speed must exceed Jacob's. The key takeaway is that momentum conservation provides a definitive explanation for the differing velocities post-push.

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Homework Statement


Edward and Jacob, standing face-to-face on a horizontal sheet of frictionless ice, push off each other, causing each to slide backward. Jacob is more massive than Edward. After the push, which of the two is moving faster?

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum: Pi = Pf
Kinetic energy: K = 1/2mv2

The Attempt at a Solution


Intuitively, the answer to this problem is obvious (Edward is moving faster after the push). I also know that Edward's smaller mass means his acceleration must be greater so that F12 = -F21. However, this problem was assigned before our Force unit, so I would like an explanation of this phenomena in terms of momentum.

I don't know if this can be explained with conservation of momentum, because Vi = 0, so it is difficult compare their velocities in terms of momentum in a meaningful way. Also, we know that the momentum of the system is conserved, but that does not show, algebraically, that Edward is moving faster than Jacob after the push.

I am wondering if this problem can be solved using a kinetic energy equation, K = 1/2mv2. This expression can show that, if the kinetic energies are equal, SpeedEf > SpeedJi. However, I do not know how to show that KE = KJ.

Any help with an algebraic proof that Edward will be moving faster than Jacob after the push would be much appreciated.
 
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You are over-thinking things. This is a conservation of momentum problem.
 

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