From math bachelor to Physics master

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of transitioning from a mathematics undergraduate program to a physics graduate program, particularly for students who did not have a background in physics during high school. Participants explore the challenges and pathways for self-learning physics and the implications for graduate school admission.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that a physics bachelor's degree is essential for admission to a physics graduate program, suggesting that self-learning physics may not suffice.
  • Others propose that many universities offer introductory physics courses without requiring high school physics as a prerequisite, indicating that it is possible to start learning physics in college.
  • A participant mentions that while prior exposure to high school physics is beneficial, it is not a barrier to starting a physics degree.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitiveness of graduate school admissions for students coming from non-physics backgrounds, emphasizing the need for strong academic performance and recommendations.
  • One participant highlights the difference in skills tested by the GRE for physics and mathematics, suggesting that preparation for these exams may vary significantly.
  • There is a suggestion that students should consider enrolling in a physics program rather than attempting to learn independently, questioning the rationale behind self-study over formal education.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a physics bachelor's degree for graduate school admission, with some asserting it is crucial while others believe it is possible to transition from a math background. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for students without high school physics experience.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the lack of high school physics may affect confidence in taking the GRE and obtaining recommendations, but the discussion does not resolve how these factors impact graduate school applications.

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Hello, I am a freshman majoring in math and recently I got interested in physics, but the problem is that I didn't learn physics in high school, so basically I don't know anything about physics. Despite this is it possible for me to learn physics on my own and then get accepted to physics graduate school? and how hard will it be?
 
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Nika said:
. Despite this is it possible for me to learn physics on my own and then get accepted to physics graduate school

Not really. If you want to go to physics graduate school, you should get a physics bachelors.
 
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Nika said:
Hello, I am a freshman majoring in math and recently I got interested in physics, but the problem is that I didn't learn physics in high school, so basically I don't know anything about physics. Despite this is it possible for me to learn physics on my own and then get accepted to physics graduate school? and how hard will it be?
Does your school offer an Intro to Physics that does not have high-school physics as a pre-req? That would be the place to start.
 
Physics or not in high school is not important for starting or earning Bachelor degree in Physics (in a university).
 
Not learning physics in high school shouldn't be a barrier in pursuing physics studies. Most colleges/universities offer an intro physics course where high school physics is not a requirement -- you should be able to take that course, and then proceed alongside your math major.
 
Nika said:
Despite this is it possible for me to learn physics on my own and then get accepted to physics graduate school? and how hard will it be?
You really need to get a BS in physics if you want to go on to grad school in physics. It's very unlikely that you can learn physics on your own to the level needed for graduate school. Is there some reason you want to learn physics on your own instead of just majoring in physics?
 
Nika said:
Hello, I am a freshman majoring in math and recently I got interested in physics, but the problem is that I didn't learn physics in high school, so basically I don't know anything about physics. Despite this is it possible for me to learn physics on my own and then get accepted to physics graduate school? and how hard will it be?

Currently, you are a freshman, I take it you completed your first year recently or about to complete it. First year physics at a university often does not have high school physics as a pre-requisite, although previous exposure to HS physics is an advantage. In my experience, the hardest thing about first year university physics is the mathematics. Because you are majoring in math, this should not be a problem. If you are interested in physics enough to consider a future masters degree, you should take physics in college (probably a first year course) as soon as possible. This would allow you to see if your recent interest will sustain you up to and throughout a Masters program.
It is very likely the Math department at your University or college, would support you taking a physics elective. Almost all programs require courses outside of the Math department to fulfill distribution requirements.

You ask is it possible to get into a physics graduate program with a Math degree. I am less pessimistic than most. Some physics grad schools will accept students outside a physics program, but these students need to present exceptional grades; letters of recommendation, GRE scores etc. What I am writing is getting into a physics graduate program is highly competitive even for physics undergraduate majors. It is even more competitive for students coming from outside the program.

One other problem to consider is the GRE. The Advanced Math and Physics GRE's test very different skills and preparation. I know my physics GRE was well better than average. I occasionally try to do the Advanced Math GRE and I find myself very uncomfortable, although I never took it for scoring.

Can a student major in Math and get into physics grad school for a masters, while learning physics on his/her own? This is (remotely) possible, but for god's sake why would a freshman even consider this possibility in lieu of getting into the physics program in the first place? Many schools (I suspect yours) do not ask you to declare a major in the first year.

Also if you are concerned about not having the preparation a (one perhaps year long) high-school class would have given you, are you going to be more confident taking the physics GRE, getting letters of recommendation from outside the physics department for physics grad school etc, without many undergraduate classes in physics?
 
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