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Haha I doubt that I really love the stuff I am working on : ) but it could never hurt to learnWannabeNewton said:Go for it! Who knows, maybe you'll switch back to physics :p
The discussion centers around the perceived lack of mathematical rigor in physics education, particularly in textbooks and courses. Participants express frustration with the balance between rigorous mathematics and the practical application of physics concepts, exploring the implications for learning and understanding in both fields.
Participants generally express frustration with the current state of physics education regarding mathematical rigor, but there is no consensus on whether the solution lies in improving textbook content, changing educational approaches, or self-studying mathematics. Multiple competing views remain regarding the balance between intuitive understanding and rigorous proof.
Participants mention the difficulty of transitioning between rigorous and less rigorous approaches in physics and mathematics, as well as the potential for textbooks to inadequately define mathematical concepts. There is also an acknowledgment of the time constraints faced by physics students in mastering both physics and mathematics.
Haha I doubt that I really love the stuff I am working on : ) but it could never hurt to learnWannabeNewton said:Go for it! Who knows, maybe you'll switch back to physics :p
Theorem. said:How important is rigor in undergraduate learning?
Theorem. said:Should it be emphasized more?
Theorem. said:why aren't there more accessible undergraduate textbooks that share the same level of rigor as is taught in undergraduate mathematics?
WannabeNewton said:Adding in the rigorous math might make some things more lucid but it is a HUGE time consuming task to teach rigorous math to undergraduate physics students on top of the (more important) physics that has to be taught. Of course this has never stopped physics students who want a rigorous math background from taking rigorous math classes regardless.
Theorem. said:I recall taking E&M and having my prof "teach" vector calculus in 2 days, no student had yet been exposed to the topic and the result was horrible.
Theorem. said:It wasn't until I actually took the mathematics that developed vector calculus that I was able to reflect on what had really happened. Unfortunately most other students that took the class with me are still puzzled.
I agree with you here up to a certain extent. In many instances understanding the mathematics can go hand in hand with understanding the physics. This can, at least in some cases, involve the development of the maths itself. I know that going through rigorous development really helped me understand what was actually going on in the math used, and consequentially the physics. Although, I am not saying that this should make rigour mandatory- simply stressing that it can have huge advantages (and as it has been mentioned, there are also some big negatives).George Jones said:Because, while physics uses mathematics, physics isn't mathematics.
Yes I believe so, but I think by the time it was done much of the essence of the course was lost. It was definitely an odd ordering. Quite unfortunate! Part of that is, of course, the students responsibility.George Jones said:Don't physics student have to take vector calculus (eventually)? If so, why did they remain puzzled?