FRW cosmology [itex]Ω_{Λ}[/itex] domination

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a universe dominated by dark energy, specifically when the density parameter \( \Omega_{\Lambda} = 1 \) and the other components are zero. Participants explore the consequences for the Friedmann equations, the age of such a universe, and the nature of de Sitter spacetime.

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  • One participant describes the Friedmann equations under the assumption \( \Omega_{\Lambda} = 1 \), concluding that this leads to a flat universe with \( k = 0 \) and a logarithmically divergent integral when calculating the age of the universe.
  • Another participant notes that the k = 0 slicing corresponds to a non-singular de Sitter spacetime, which can be foliated in different ways, including k = 1 and k = -1 slicings.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of the k = 1 slicing and its implications for singularities, with emphasis on the non-singular nature of de Sitter spacetime.
  • A participant acknowledges previous mistakes in their understanding of the slicing and the implications for the scale factor.
  • One participant references Kolb & Turner, noting that they also conclude an infinite age for a universe with \( \Omega_{\Lambda} = 1 \), questioning the physical meaning of "age" in this context.
  • Another participant asserts that de Sitter spacetime does not have a Big Bang singularity, thus lacking a defined "beginning," and discusses the calculation of elapsed time in general relativity.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of an infinite age for the universe and the physical interpretation of this result. While some acknowledge the mathematical validity of the conclusions, others question the physical meaning and implications of such a model. No consensus is reached on the interpretation of "age" in this context.

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Participants highlight limitations in their assumptions and the dependence on the choice of slicing in de Sitter spacetime. The discussion reflects unresolved questions about the nature of time and age in cosmological models dominated by dark energy.

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Suppose you have a universe where [itex]Ω_{Λ}=1[/itex] and the rest are zero. Then the Friedmann equations are:
[itex](\frac{H}{H_{0}})^{2} + \frac{k}{(aH_{0})^2} = \Omega_{\Lambda}=1[/itex]

since [itex]\Omega= \Omega_{\Lambda}=1[/itex] we have a flat universe and so [itex]k=0[/itex]
This leaves us with:
[itex](\frac{H}{H_{0}})^{2}=1[/itex]

or

[itex]\frac{H}{H_{0}}=1 \rightarrow H=H_{0}[/itex]

If I try to write find the age of this universe today, it will give me:

[itex]\frac{1}{a} \frac{da}{dt} = H = H_{0}[/itex]

If I integrate from [itex]a=0[/itex] to [itex]a=1[/itex] and so time from 0 to T (today):
[itex]\int_{0}^{1} \frac{da}{a} = H_{0} T[/itex]

I am getting negative age T... because the integral is logarithmically divergent at 0.

An additional problem also appears by solving for [itex]a[/itex] as a differential equation and get:

[itex]a(t) = a_{0} e^{H_{0} t}[/itex]

from which you see that to solve [itex]a(t)=0[/itex] (so to find the time connecting [itex]a_{0}[/itex] to [itex]a=0[/itex]) you need to get [itex]H_{0} t= -∞[/itex]
Both these cases seem unphysical to me...? Any help for clarification?
 
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This in one (the k = 0; there are also k = 1 and k = -1 slicings of de Sitter) of the slicings of de Sitter spactime. de Sitter spacetime is not singular. The k = -1 slicing does have a(0) = 0, but this is just a coordinate singularity.
 
For a flat spacetime you have [itex]k=0[/itex]... in my model [itex]\Omega=\Omega_{\Lambda}=1[/itex]. This can also be seen by taking the Friedman equation again for today ([itex]H=H_{0},~~ a=a_{0}[/itex]:

[itex]1 + \frac{k}{(a_{0}H_{0})^{2}} =1[/itex]
[itex]\frac{k}{(a_{0}H_{0})^{2}} =0[/itex]
[itex]k=0[/itex]
 
Sorry , trying to watch the World Cup (5-0 for Germany after 29 minutes!). de Sitter spacetime is a particular 4-dimensional, non-singular spacetime manifold. There are 3 different ways that this one spacetime manifold can be foliated by 3-dimensional spacelike hypersurface, one for k = 1 closed space, one for k = 0 flat space, and one for k = -1 open space.

You are looking at the k = 1 slicing of de Sitter

Again it is the same non-singular spacetime manifold for each type of spatial slicing!

If you have access to it, the book "Einstein's General Relativity with Applications in Modern cosmology" by Gron and Hervik has a nice discussion that starts on page 309, with a very illustrative diagram on page 310.
 
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Ah then [itex]a(0)=0[/itex] is not an appropriate choice -due to a horizon. Thanks
 
I made at least two mistakes in my previous post.

George Jones said:
You are looking at the k = 1 slicing of de Sitter

I meant k = 0.

George Jones said:
nice discussion that starts on page 309

Should be "starts on page 305".

You can see your situation (exponential scale factor for k = 0) in the middle portion of equation (12.10)
 
Yes I understand this, mathematically it works... It's what I deduced and I was able to check it in various sources...
eg in Kolb & Turner they deal with a flat matter+vacuum universe, and in the case ΩΛ=1 they also get infinite age. One can say that due to this, the model is unphysical and it doesn't really make sense.
However I'd like to ask what we mean by "Age"...the age of such a universe is going to start from infinity because:

[itex]H_0 \int dt = \int_{0}^{x} d(\ln a)[/itex]
diverges for any [itex]x \ne 0[/itex]

I can see the formulas, but I cannot "get" the meaning of the quantities... Is the age really defined as the time elapsed to go form [itex]a=a_0=1[/itex] to [itex]a=0[/itex]?
 
Right. Since de Sitter is a non-singular spacetime, it does not have a Big Bang Singularity, and thus has no "beginning".

Elapsed time in general relativity is calculated the same way it is in special relativity, integrate proper time along a worldline.
 

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