Fuel that doesnt need compression?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of fuels that could be utilized in engines designed to operate without traditional compression cycles. Participants explore various ideas related to engine designs, fuel types, and the implications of avoiding compression in combustion processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests brainstorming about fuels that could work efficiently in a compression-free engine.
  • Another mentions coal as a fuel that doesn't require compression, although it may not align with the original inquiry.
  • A participant describes a design for an engine with minimal moving parts that may require forced compression, indicating uncertainty about the mechanism.
  • There is a proposal for a rotating ball engine design that avoids the Wankel compression principle, suggesting the need for a compression-free fuel or forced induction for ignition.
  • One participant clarifies that forced induction is different from compression, emphasizing that compression increases efficiency by reducing the volume of the fuel-air mixture.
  • A question is raised about whether the proposed engine design includes a mechanism for gas expansion after ignition.
  • Another participant notes that pulse detonation engines utilize compression in a unique way, asserting that eliminating compression is not beneficial for efficiency.
  • One participant clarifies their earlier statement about compression, indicating they were referring to the absence of a compressing cycle rather than the compression that occurs during combustion.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of compression in engine designs. There is no consensus on the feasibility of a compression-free engine or the types of fuels that could be used effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about engine mechanics and fuel types, with some limitations in clarity regarding definitions of compression and forced induction. The discussion reflects a range of speculative ideas without definitive conclusions.

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Excuse the language. English is not my first language and in physics terms I might be lacking.

I was just brainstorming. Is there a fuel that could be used with efficiancy in a compression free engine?
 
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Coal in a steam engine doesn't require compression, but somehow I don't think that's the answer you are looking for.

You may have to explain more precisely what you mean.
 
Coal good idea =)

I'm working on a design which I don't know if it will ever work.

The idea is an engine with minimal moving parts. And therefore cannot make compression. Or have to use FORCED compression from ? Ex a Jet compressor. I haven't figured that part out yet.
 
Well. I had the idea of creating a rotating ball with slots. With a shaft in the center. A spinning ball. Without the wenkel compression principle that (wobbles). Therefore needing a compression free fuel. Or using some sort of forced induction to create compression in the slot before ignition.
 
SirOrigami said:
Well. I had the idea of creating a rotating ball with slots. With a shaft in the center. A spinning ball. Without the wenkel compression principle that (wobbles). Therefore needing a compression free fuel. Or using some sort of forced induction to create compression in the slot before ignition.

Forced induction is not the same as compression.

Compression works because it puts a fixed quantitiy of fuel into a physically smaller space, allowing combusion at higher temperatures.
 
If you are intending an engine where the air/fuel/exhaust is also the working fluid, then not using compression will severely limit the efficiency.
 
Out of interest, does this design incorporate some form of expansion of the gases once ignited?
 
Yes. Expansion of gases
 
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Note that pulse detonation still utilizes compression, it just does it in a novel way that uses the explosion's own shock wave to compress the mixture before combustion. Again, you don't want to eliminate compression: compression increases efficiency, it doesn't decrease it.

But if you still truly want compression-free combustion, you're describing a pulse-jet engine. But as far as fuels go, not compressing doesn't provide any limitations on fuel I'm aware of. Any conventional fuel should function in such an engine.
 
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No. That was not really what I meant. I meant my design did not have a compressing cycle. The compression that becomes when combustion occurs i didn't put into account as compression when I said compression free. =) sorry about that.
 

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