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Cyrus said:Besides, those marines were white.
And McVeigh was blue?
Last pictures I saw he was orange.
Cyrus said:Besides, those marines were white.
Monique said:Wouldn't it be too easy to dress up as a marine and skip a security check? It is a basic human right to be treated equally, so I think everybody should.
Borek said:And McVeigh was blue?
Last pictures I saw he was orange.
And as an American you also think that Marines should not have to go through security checks, I don't think your idealism is founded on any form of rationality.Cyrus said:As an American, I don't want any more airplanes blowing up or crashing into buildings where I live. I think your idealism is not founded on any form of rationality.
Cyrus said:How many Muslim terrorists were white?
Monique said:And as an American you also think that Marines should not have to go through security checks, I don't think your idealism is founded on any form of rationality.
I have a story for you: drug trafficking was a big problem from flights out of the Caribbean. These drug traffickers were usually people who looked like Caribbean people, so what did they do? They started thoroughly screening every person who looked Caribbean. What did the drug traffickers do? They started enlisted tourists to traffic the drugs for them. These people are not stupid.
There are also going to be white American people who are willing to perform terrorist attacks on airplanes. There are white American people who have already performed terrorist attacks out of extremist motives, ignoring that would be stupid. (not to mention the other non-terrorist motives that people could have to hijack airplanes)
Borek said:Not many, perhaps none. But you are making a mistake assuming that Muslims are the only source of danger and that it is so obvious that white Marine can't be a Muslim terrorist. I suppose that's what Monique means and all are equal is not an idealism - she just points to the fact that everyone can be a terrorist and should be treated in exactly the same way.
Edit: she already posted that in the meantime.
Cyrus said:Do you think police should go through security checks at airports? Why do you think uniformed marines should be subjected to taking of their shoes, belts, and hats so they can walk through a bomb detecting machine?
You are basing this on an extrapolation of exactly zero cases where this happened. This is absurd.
Cyrus said:Middle eastern people should be more throughly screened.
Borek said:Because anyone in marine uniform looks like uniformed marine.
Assuming someone may use commercial flight as a flying bomb to destroy building was an absurd before 9/11.
http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=14021"Cyrus said:White muslim terrorist count: zero. . Everyone should not be treated the same way. Middle eastern people should be more throughly screened.
Monique said:http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=14021"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirsad_Bektašević
And as said, non-muslim white people also perform terrorist attacks: Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols, Theodore Kaczynski, Eric Robert Rudolph, Samuel Bowers, Michael Bray, Richard Grint Butler, Robert Edward Chambliss, David Lane.
Or have you been brainwashed to think that the only people who are capable of doing bad things are black Muslims?
Anyone who is willing can make a fake ID card.Cyrus said:You do realize that marines have proper military ID, right? This is a bit of a cartoonish argument here Borek.
This person had ties with al-Qaeda in Iraq, you don't think that is relevant?Cyrus said:Monique, what does a terrorist in serbia have anything to do with what we are talking about? Is this supposed to be more of a stretch of the imagination with irrelevant examples?
Now,...please. Give me a relevant example next time. I don't need to see another link to an unrelated article about McVeigh. This is not making your point.
Bektašević allegedly was an Internet recruiter, under the alias Maximus, for young Muslims to join the insurgency in Iraq. According to the British newspaper The Times, citing police and intelligence sources, Bektašević had visited the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and run one of his web sites. Bektašević also went by the alias Abu Imad As-Sandzaki on various internet forums.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002098.htmlIn particular, Islamic radicals are looking to create cells of so-called white al Qaeda, non-Arab members who can evade racial profiling used by police forces to watch for potential terrorists. "They want to look European to carry out operations in Europe," said a Western intelligence agent in Belgrade, the capital of Serbia and Montenegro, adjacent to Bosnia. "It's yet another evolution in the tools used by terrorists."
Cyrus said:You do realize that marines have proper military ID, right? This is a bit of a cartoonish argument here Borek.
This unrelated fact validates her point...how? (It does not)
drizzle said:Some people are just so pathetic! ...IMO, all should go through the same process equally, if there is any needed.
Borek said:It doesn't validate Monique's point, it invalidates your point. You seem to be sure that you can base your preventive actions based on past experience. That was done earlier and was not effective. And if you ASSUME that some groups are not suspected for any reason, you can be sure terrorists will try to use it against you.
Cyrus said:Why?
drizzle said:Why for what? for being pathetic or to be treated equally as others?
Monique said:The United States still has to abide the laws put forth by the United Nations High Commissionar for Human Rights. It it not right to be treated as a terrorist based on some general characteristic, the same as it is not right to be treated as a drug trafficker based on an incident. I sympathize with arildno's point of view, he actually seems to have given the issue some thought.
Complete nonsense.The United States still has to abide the laws put forth by the United Nations High Commissionar for Human Rights. It it not right to be treated as a terrorist based on some general characteristic,
That merely shows that Muslims should be more thoroughly screened relative to others before being allowed to serve in the Army.cristo said:Didn't you have an incident very recently where a mass murder took place inside an army base?
Monique said:http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=14021"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirsad_Bektašević
And as said, non-muslim white people also perform terrorist attacks: Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols, Theodore Kaczynski, Eric Robert Rudolph, Samuel Bowers, Michael Bray, Richard Grint Butler, Robert Edward Chambliss, David Lane.
Or have you been brainwashed to think that the only people who are capable of doing bad things are black Muslims?
drizzle said:Some people are just so pathetic! ...IMO, all should go through the same process equally, if there is any needed.
Cyrus said:Now,...please. Give me a relevant example next time.
Vanadium 50 said:How about Ann-Marie Murphy, a 32-year old 5-6 months pregnant Irishwoman, who was caught carrying 1.5 kilos of semtex on a timer on an El Al flight from London to Tel Aviv?
Indeed, she was chosen specifically because she didn't "meet the profile".
What’s the safest airline in the world?
There's no question. It's El Al, Israel’s national airline.
What’s the safest airport? Ben Gurion, Israel’s international airport.
It's ironic, when you figure that Israeli aviation has been the single most desirable target for terrorists since the 1960s. Correspondent Bob Simon reports. What do the Israelis do that the Americans don’t do? Well, they’ve had sky marshals since the 1960s. And racial profiling...
Since Sept. 11, America has gotten serious about airline security - or has tried to. Dror asks how Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was ever allowed on that American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami.
"The first thing: Where is your suitcase? You are not going to the United States without any suitcase," says Dror. "How, where are you going to spend your time? Are you, are you going to sleep naked in the Central Park? What are you going to do over there without suitcase? So, this is the first question and that (will) raise a lot of red lights."
In fact, the Israelis got a chance to ask Reid a lot of questions, because he flew El Al last summer. They didn’t like the look of him, so they checked everything in his bags, and everything he was wearing, and then put an armed sky marshal in the seat right next to him.
Monique said:So, who can show me some statistics on global aircraft hijackings? Apparently some people are convinced that only Middle Eastern people hijack airplanes, so I at least would like to see some raw data that proves that point.
Cyrus said:But I don't care about global hijackings. I care about hijackings that concern the united states, there is no need to obfuscate the issue.
True (for 7/7). 3500 in England or mostly in N. Ire? Obviously Jihadists would blow up a plane given any chance, but the IRA never did suicide bombings, nor have they given any indication they'd blow up a civilian airliner. Bottom line, it would be a waste of time to screen the Irish at the same rate as Middle Eastern travelers.mgb_phys said:Casualties from 'the troubles' 3500
Casualties from Muslim terrorists 52 (also not on planes)
Monique said:Does that mean you don't have any statistics to argument your position?