Function oscillates from -1 to 1 so limit

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Why is it that
Limit as x approaches 0 of sin(1/x), written in plain typeset mathematics.
does not exist?
I read in books that the function oscillates from -1 to 1 so limit does not exist. I don't understand how can we conclude that from the given reason?
On the other hand,
Limit expression: lim as x approaches 0 of sin(1/x), written as plain text in display style.
exists
Please explain me the difference between the two.
 


hi there,

you're right that sine oscillates. if x goes to 0, that means that your term inside will be infinity. This means that the sin(1/x) could be anywhere between -1 and 1, and is therefore undefined.

but if you put the x in front, sin(1/x) can be anywhere between -1 and 1, and the limit will still be 0 right?
 


dacruick said:
but if you put the x in front, sin(1/x) can be anywhere between -1 and 1, and the limit will still be 0 right?

sin(1/x) can be anywhere between -1 and 1
so xsin(1/x) can be anywhere between -x and x
Is'nt it?
 


dacruick said:
hi there,

you're right that sine oscillates. if x goes to 0, that means that your term inside will be infinity.
Technically, this isn't correct.
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0}}\frac{1}{x}[/tex]
doesn't exist at all, in any sense. The left- and right-side limits are different.
 
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Mark44 said:
Technically, this isn't correct.
[tex]\lim_{x \to {\infty}}\frac{1}{x}[/tex]
doesn't exist at all, in any sense. The left- and right-side limits are different.

Did you mean sin(1/x) ?
If yes then how can you prove that left and right -side limits are different?
 


Abdul Quadeer said:
Did you mean sin(1/x) ?
If yes then how can you prove that left and right -side limits are different?
Sorry, I wrote something different from what I was thinking.

This is what I meant:
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex]

That limit doesn't exist, in any sense.
 


Mark44 said:
Sorry, I wrote something different from what I was thinking.

This is what I meant:
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex]

That limit doesn't exist, in any sense.

But [tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex] is infinity. It does exist.
lol were you again thinking something else while writing?
 


Abdul Quadeer said:
But [tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex] is infinity. It does exist.
This limit is NOT infinity, and absolutely does NOT exist! The left- and right-side limits are as different as it is possible to be, which means that the two-sided limit doesn't exist.
 


Mark is right, that limit doesn't exist.

But I don't really understand the relevancy of this
 


dacruick said:
you're right that sine oscillates. if x goes to 0, that means that your term inside will be infinity. This means that the sin(1/x) could be anywhere between -1 and 1, and is therefore undefined.

dacruick said:
Mark is right, that limit doesn't exist.

But I don't really understand the relevancy of this
I was responding to something you said (first quote above). You said that the "term inside" (which I understood to mean 1/x) will be infinity as x approaches 0. That's not true, since the limit of 1/x as x approaches 0 doesn't exist.
 


Mark44 said:
I was responding to something you said (first quote above). You said that the "term inside" (which I understood to mean 1/x) will be infinity as x approaches 0. That's not true, since the limit of 1/x as x approaches 0 doesn't exist.

Thats true, my mistake. Mathematically that's incorrect but thinking about it that way has always helped me feel through these questions.
 


It would be more helpful to distinguish between limits that are infinite and limits that don't exist at all. For example, [tex]\lim_{x \to \infty} e^x = \infty[/tex]
but [tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex] doesn't exist at all.
 


Mark44 said:
It would be more helpful to distinguish between limits that are infinite and limits that don't exist at all. For example, [tex]\lim_{x \to \infty} e^x = \infty[/tex]
but [tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{x}[/tex] doesn't exist at all.

I think what's really happening is in that case I just say that x approaches zero from the right or left and then the limit exists