Function such that f'(x) exists but limf'(x) as x -> 0 does not

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The discussion revolves around finding a function \( f(x) \) that has a derivative \( f'(x) \) existing everywhere, yet the limit of \( f'(x) \) as \( x \) approaches 0 does not exist. Participants are exploring examples and counterexamples within the context of calculus, specifically focusing on the properties of continuity and differentiability.

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  • Some participants propose specific functions, such as \( f(x) = \frac{2x^5 + 5x^2}{x^{11}} \), but question the validity of their derivatives and the conditions of the problem. Others suggest functions like \( f(x) = |x| \) and discuss their differentiability at 0. A hint is provided to consider \( \sin(1/x) \) multiplied by a suitable factor to meet the problem's criteria.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants are questioning the assumptions behind their proposed functions, while others are providing hints and alternative suggestions. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and examples are being considered.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of differentiability and continuity, particularly at the point \( x = 0 \). There are concerns about the validity of certain examples due to undefined behavior at that point, as well as the implications of the limit of the derivative.

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Homework Statement


Does anyone have an example of a function such that f'(x) exists everywhere, but limf'(x) as x approaches 0 does not?

Thanks in advance!

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The Attempt at a Solution


I was thinking something along the lines of f(x) = (2x^5 + 5x^2)/x^11
Since then f'(x) = (10x^4 + 10x) / 11x^10
and limf'(x) as x approaches 0 does not exist since 11(0)^10 = 0 and you cannot divide by 0. However, I realized that that means that f'(x) does not exist everywhere since limf'(x) doesn't exist as x approaches 0, that implies that f'(0) does not exist.
 
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physman123 said:

Homework Statement


Does anyone have an example of a function such that f'(x) exists everywhere, but limf'(x) as x approaches 0 does not?

Thanks in advance!

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The Attempt at a Solution


I was thinking something along the lines of f(x) = (2x^5 + 5x^2)/x^11
Since then f'(x) = (10x^4 + 10x) / 11x^10
I see two problems with this.
1. Your function f is not defined at x = 0, so f' is also undefined at x = 0. This violates the condition that f' is defined everywhere.
2. Your differentiation is incorrect. The derivative of a quotient is NOT the quotient of the derivatives. To differentiate a quotient you normally need to use the quotient rule. For your example, carrying out the division first before differentiating makes it unnecessary to use the quotient rule.

f(x) = (2x5 + 5x2)/x11 = 2x-6 + 5x-9. Now you can differentiate using the sum rule and the power rule.

In any case, this is not a good example, since f' is not defined everywhere.
physman123 said:
and limf'(x) as x approaches 0 does not exist since 11(0)^10 = 0 and you cannot divide by 0. However, I realized that that means that f'(x) does not exist everywhere since limf'(x) doesn't exist as x approaches 0, that implies that f'(0) does not exist.
 
So you want a function that's continuous everywhere, but not differentiable at 0.

How about f(x) = |x|
 
Zondrina said:
So you want a function that's continuous everywhere, but not differentiable at 0.

How about f(x) = |x|
This one came to my mind, as well, but it doesn't work. For this function, f' doesn't exist at x = 0. The condition in the problem is that f'(x) exists everywhere.
 
Hint: Try starting with ##\sin(1/x)## and multiplying by something suitable so that ##f'(0)## exists but ##\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} f'(x)## does not exist.
 
H'about :

f(x)=-x2/2 , for x<0

f(0)=0

f(x)=x2/2 for x>0

Then f'(x)=|x| , so that f' is defined everywhere, but the limits at 0 don't agree.
 
Bacle2 said:
H'about :

f(x)=-x2/2 , for x<0

f(0)=0

f(x)=x2/2 for x>0

Then f'(x)=|x| , so that f' is defined everywhere, but the limits at 0 don't agree.
But this ##f'## is continuous everywhere, so the limits will agree everywhere.
 

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