Functional analysis and limits

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The discussion revolves around limits in functional analysis, specifically examining the convergence of a sequence of functions and the implications of taking limits with respect to different variables. Participants are exploring the behavior of a sequence as one variable approaches infinity while keeping another fixed.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the convergence of the sequence \( f_n \) to 1 and discussing the implications of the norms involved. There is a focus on the limits as \( n \) and \( m \) approach infinity and the potential misunderstanding of simultaneous limits.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the conditions under which the sequence converges. Some participants suggest focusing on fixed values of \( n \) while letting \( m \) approach infinity, while others are clarifying the definitions of convergence in this context. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being considered.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of limits in functional analysis, particularly regarding pointwise convergence versus convergence in \( l^{\infty} \). There is a recognition of the need to be cautious with the assumptions made about the behavior of the sequences involved.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


[tex]\lim_n a_n := \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck at exercise (c). Since if n heads to infinity the m doesn't play the role the limit must be one. So the mistake is somewhere on the left and I think it is at the part where both limits are taken at the same time.

Or is the limit 1/2? Can someone help me?
 
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Does f_n really converge to 1? What's ||f_n-1|| for any n?
 
Hint: we have to be careful when we say things like "[itex]f_n \to \textbf{1}[/tex]" nonchalantly. What does "[itex]\to[/itex]" mean in this setting?[/itex]
 
Dick said:
Does f_n really converge to 1? What's ||f_n-1|| for any n?
[tex]||f_n-1|| = \frac{m}{m+n}[/tex] for any n. But if I let n tend to infinity this would go to zero, right? So the limit is one? I guess I miss the point here because the n stands for the nth sequence and the m is just the element in that sequence, right?

If I look in one sequence (so for fixed n) and let m tend to infinity I would always get zero do you mean that?

morphism said:
Hint: we have to be careful when we say things like "[itex]f_n \to \textbf{1}[/tex]" nonchalantly. What does "[itex]\to[/itex]" mean in this setting?[/itex]
[itex] <br /> It means keeping m fixed while letting [tex]n \rightarrow \infty[/tex] right?[/itex]
 
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Don't take n to infinity. Just focus on a single n for a minute. I think the limit m->infinity of m/(m+n) is one, not zero. So I would say ||f_n-1||=1. For ALL n. So I would say while it converges pointwise, the sequence f_n does not converge in l_infinity.
 
Dick said:
Don't take n to infinity. Just focus on a single n for a minute. I think the limit m->infinity of m/(m+n) is one, not zero. So I would say ||f_n-1||=1. For ALL n.
So there holds: [tex]\lim_{m \rightarrow \infty} f_n =1[/tex] imlpying pointwise convergence.

So I would say while it converges pointwise, the sequence f_n does not converge in l_infinity.

A sequence converges in [tex]l^{\infty}[/tex] if [tex]\lim_{j \rightarrow} ||f_j-f||_{\infty} \rightarrow 0[/tex] but by noticing the pointwise convergence one can note that this will not head to zero but 1, right?
 
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I think you've got the right idea. I think your first statement should say lim n->infinity f_nm=1. Each term m of the sequences tends to 1 as n->infinity. But that's not enough to make the f_n converge.
 

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