Functional determinant approach to perturbation

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The discussion revolves around the application of a functional determinant approach to perturbative expansions in quantum field theory, specifically in the context of a functional integral with a small coupling constant 'g' and a potential term characterized by a power 'k' greater than 2. Participants explore the implications of this approach and its relation to zeta regularization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a functional determinant approach to evaluate a functional integral involving a small coupling constant 'g' and a term with a power 'k' greater than 2.
  • Another participant questions the convergence of the infinite product of eigenvalues in the proposed determinant approach.
  • A different participant notes the absence of 'g' in the functional integral and argues that the proposed determinant depends on 'phi', which contradicts the independence of the integral.
  • One participant mentions that the product diverges but suggests that zeta regularization can provide a finite value, specifically exp(-ζ(0)).
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the relationship between the determinant and zeta regularization, questioning the validity of equating the two.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about generalizing the functional determinant to non-linear operators, acknowledging the challenges posed by non-linear terms in physics.
  • References to external resources on zeta regularization and heat kernel regularization are provided for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the functional determinant approach and its convergence, as well as the relationship between the determinant and zeta regularization. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the convergence of infinite products and the dependence of the functional integral on 'phi'. The discussion also highlights the complexity of dealing with non-linear operators in the context of functional determinants.

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given the functional integral with 'g' small coupling constant

\int \mathcal D [\phi]exp(iS_{0}[\phi]+\int d^{4}x \phi ^{k})

so k >2 then could we use a similar 'Functional determinant approach' to this Feynman integral ?? in the sense that the integral above will be equal to

Cx(Det[\partial _{\mu}+k\phi^{k-1})^{-1/b}

where C and 'b' are constant and the determinant is defined as an infinite product of eigenvalues

\zeta (s) \Gamma(s)= \int_{0}^{\infty}dt t^{s-1}Tr[e^{-sH_{0}-sgV_{int}]

where the index '0' means the quadratic part of our Hamiltonian /action and so on..

since 'g' is small then we can express for every eigenvalue:

\lambda _{n} =\lambda _{0}+g\lambda _{n}^{1} +g^{2}\lambda_{n}^{2}+...

so det= \prod_{n} \lambda_{n}
 
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Um,

shouldn't your infinite product have some additional conditions to ensure convergence?
 
Sangoku said:
given the functional integral with 'g' small coupling constant

\int \mathcal D [\phi]exp(iS_{0}[\phi]+\int d^{4}x \phi ^{k})

I don't see any 'g' in the above...

so k >2 then could we use a similar 'Functional determinant approach' to this Feynman integral ?? in the sense that the integral above will be equal to

Cx(Det[\partial _{\mu}+k\phi^{k-1})^{-1/b}

It appears that the functional integral you wrote can not be equal to the above determinant because the above determinant appears to depend on 'phi' whereas the value of the functional integral does not depend on 'phi'
 
To 'Emmanuelle 14' = product DIVERGES however using zeta regularization you can attach a finite value to it equal to exp(-\zeta (0))

My question 'Olgranppapy' is to know if there is a generalization of the Functional determinant to the case of Non-linear operators as the produt of the eigenvalues for n=01,2,3,4,... given by

\Delta \phi +\phi^{k-1}k=\lambda_{n}\phi = \partial _{t} \phi
 
Sangoku said:
To 'Emmanuelle 14' = product DIVERGES however using zeta regularization you can attach a finite value to it equal to exp(-\zeta (0))


Are you saying det = \prod_{n} \lambda_{n} = exp(-\zeta (0)) ?

How did you get \prod_{n} \lambda_{n} = exp(-\zeta (0)) to work? The article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_regularization doesn't say anything about it. Do you have another reference to zeta regularization?
 
Sangoku said:
My question 'Olgranppapy' is to know if there is a generalization of the Functional determinant to the case of Non-linear operators...

Perhaps formally... I don't know--But dealing with non-linear terms (interactions) is always the whole problem in every problem in physics, isn't it? :wink:
 
Thanks, sangoku, looks interesting!
 

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