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The discussion focuses on functions defined by the differential equation ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y)##, specifically exploring the family of solutions that can be expressed as ##f(x,y) = g(x-y)##, where ##g## is a differentiable function. Participants clarify that every differentiable antisymmetric function satisfies the equation, leading to the conclusion that a significant class of solutions can be represented as ##f(u,v) = g(u-v) + h(v)##, with ##g## being an odd function. The discussion emphasizes the challenge of describing these functions without referencing derivatives or integrals.

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Sorry for the terribly vague title; I just can't think of a better name for the thread.

I'm interested in functions ##f:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## which solve the DE, ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.

I know this is a huge collection of functions, amounting to everything of the form ##\left\{ \int g(x,y) dx: \ g \text{ antisymmetric} \right\}##, but I'm wondering whether there's a nice description of the family of functions ##f## satisfying the equation. Ideally, I'd like a description which doesn't use derivatives or integrals.
 
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-1 = (∂ƒ/∂x)/(∂ƒ/∂y) = - (dy/dx)ƒ.
which is not hard to integrate to
y - x = K at constant ƒ.

So ƒ(y - x) = C. , any constant C and any differentiable function ƒ is a solution.

IMHO not a bad starting point for study of solution of pde's (which I must start one of these days. :oldsmile:)
 
economicsnerd said:
solve the DE, ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.
Are you sure you mean that and not ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x,y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##?

On my calculations, every differentiable anti-symmetric function is a solution of the former (the one you wrote) because both partial derivs are taken wrt the first argument of ##f##. So if ##g:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## is the partial diff of ##f## wrt its first argument then the DE is just ##g(y,x)=-g(x,y)##, and the problem becomes uninteresting.

However, if the DE is really ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x,y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##, or to make it even clearer:

$$D_2 f(x,y) =-D_1f(x,y) $$
where ##D_n## indicates partial differentiation wrt the ##n##th argument, the problem becomes interesting and penguin's solution comes into play.
epenguin said:
So ƒ(y - x) = C. , any constant C and any differentiable function ƒ is a solution.
I wasn't quite sure what you meant by this last part. Do you mean that, for any differentiable function ##g:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}##, the function ##f:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## defined by ##f(x,y)=g(y-x)## is a solution of the DE?

That certainly seems to work, and is a nice solution [of what I think the problem was intended to be, per the above].

Do you think we can conclude that all solutions are of that form?
 
andrewkirk said:
penguin's solution comes into play.

Aaargh I misread.:redface:
 
I did mean ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y)##, not ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x, y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.

So I'm after the set of functions whose first partial is an antisymmetric function. I'm wondering if there's a way to specify that class of functions without referencing derivatives or integrals.
 
It seems to me that every such f(x,y) can be written in the form f(x,y) = g(x-y), where g is an arbitrary differentiable function.
 
economicsnerd said:
I'm after the set of functions whose first partial is an antisymmetric function.
A large class of solutions will be of the form

$$f(u,v)=g(u-v)+h(v)$$

where
##g:[-1,1]\to\mathbb{r}## and ##h:[0,1]\to\mathbb{r}## are both once-differentiable and ##g## is an odd function.
Note that the ##h## term is a function only of the second argument, and hence disappears upon partial differentiation wrt the first argument.
The extra requirement that the function ##g## be odd appears necessary. A function that is even, such as ##g(x)=x^2##, or neither even nor odd, such as ##g(x)=e^x##, would not work.

I can't prove that all solutions are of this form. Perhaps there may be other classes of solutions, but I can't think of any examples.
 

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