Fundamental groups and arcwise connected spaces.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of arcwise connected spaces and their fundamental groups, particularly focusing on the implications of arcwise connectivity and the existence of spaces that are not arcwise connected. Participants explore examples and counterexamples, questioning the significance of certain spaces in the context of topology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if a space X is arcwise connected, then the fundamental groups ##\pi_1(X,p)## and ##\pi_1(X,q)## are isomorphic for any two points p and q in X.
  • There is a query about the generality of this theorem, specifically asking for examples of important spaces that are not arcwise connected.
  • One participant mentions that any Hausdorff space that is not path-connected is also not arc-connected, citing the "Topologist's Sine Curve" as an example.
  • Another participant challenges the significance of the "Topologist's Sine Curve," arguing that it serves primarily as a counterexample rather than a space of intrinsic importance.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "important" spaces, with a participant suggesting that rational numbers might be considered important by some.
  • A side note is made that topological manifolds are locally arc-connected, as they are Hausdorff and locally path-connected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of certain topological spaces, particularly the "Topologist's Sine Curve." While some agree it is not important, others question the criteria for defining importance in topology. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of important spaces that are not arcwise connected.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining "important" spaces in topology, which may depend on individual perspectives and contexts. The relationship between arcwise connectivity and other properties of spaces is also explored without reaching a consensus.

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If a space X is arcwise connected, then for any two points p and q in X the fundamental groups ##\pi_1(X,p)## and ##\pi_1(X,q)## are isomorphic. This means that we can, up to isomorphisms, identify both groups with their equivalence class ##\pi_1(X)##.

I started to think about the generality of this theorem. Is there any interesting/important spaces which are not arcwise connected except for the union of two disjoint spaces etc?
 
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center o bass said:
If a space X is arcwise connected, then for any two points p and q in X the fundamental groups ##\pi_1(X,p)## and ##\pi_1(X,q)## are isomorphic. This means that we can, up to isomorphisms, identify both groups with their equivalence class ##\pi_1(X)##.

I started to think about the generality of this theorem. Is there any interesting/important spaces which are not arcwise connected except for the union of two disjoint spaces etc?
Any Hausdorff space that is not path-connected is also not arc-connected. Therefore, the so-called "Topologist's Sine Curve," a relatively important topological space, is not arc-connected.
 
Mandelbroth said:
Any Hausdorff space that is not path-connected is also not arc-connected. Therefore, the so-called "Topologist's Sine Curve," a relatively important topological space, is not arc-connected.

It's not a relatively important topological space, since it serves more as a counterexample than as something worth studying on its own. Sure, it's a nice and important counterexample, but that's it. It's not a topological space central to algebraic topology like topological manifolds.
 
micromass said:
It's not a relatively important topological space, since it serves more as a counterexample than as something worth studying on its own. Sure, it's a nice and important counterexample, but that's it. It's not a topological space central to algebraic topology like topological manifolds.
Meh. It was the first Hausdorff space that isn't path-connected that came to mind. :rolleyes:

I have to agree with micro, though. It isn't important itself. Come to think of it, off the top of my head, I can't think of any particularly "important" spaces that are not arc-connected.

As a side note, topological manifolds are locally arc-connected (since they are Hausdorff and locally path-connected).
 
what is the definition of "important"? what about the rational numbers? some people think they are important. we need more details to answer this, i think.
 

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