S^2 union a line connecting the north and south pole

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the fundamental group of the space formed by the union of a 2-sphere (S^2) and a line connecting the north and south poles. Participants explore various methods, including the Seifert Van Kampen Theorem and the concept of universal covers, to analyze the topological properties of this space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to apply the Seifert Van Kampen Theorem but struggles with selecting appropriate subsets that meet the necessary criteria.
  • Another participant suggests considering the universal cover as an infinite string of spheres, likening it to beads on a string.
  • A participant connects the group of deck transformations of the universal covering space to the fundamental group, proposing that it is isomorphic to ℤ.
  • There is a proposal to use Van Kampen's theorem by considering the left and right portions of the sphere with the string, suggesting that their overlap resembles a figure 8, which could lead to the conclusion that the fundamental group is ℤ.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the reasoning behind the universal cover being a string of beads, with one acknowledging a misunderstanding.
  • Another participant reflects on the construction of the covering space and its implications for the fundamental group, noting that it appears to be trivial due to homotopy considerations.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of self-homeomorphisms and their role in defining deck transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the Seifert Van Kampen Theorem versus the use of universal covers. While some lean towards the conclusion that the fundamental group is ℤ, there is no consensus on the methods or reasoning used to arrive at this conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight challenges in selecting appropriate subsets for the application of Van Kampen's theorem and discuss the implications of their constructions on the fundamental group. There is also mention of potential complications regarding self-homeomorphisms in the context of deck transformations.

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I have been trying to determine the fundamental group of S^2 union a line connecting the north and south pole by using the Seifert Van Kampen Theorem. But every time I try and pick my two subsets U and V they are either not open or not arcwise connected or their intersection isn't particularly nice.

My guess is that the fundamental group should be $\mathbb{Z}$, but other than my intuition, I can't seem to find a way to show this.
 
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look at the universal cover, an infinite string of spheres like beads on a long string.
 
Thanks! So, I look at the group of deck transformations of the universal covering space (the string of beads), which I believe is Z. Then since the group of deck transformations of the universal covering space is isomorphic to the fundamental group, we are done.
 
Just for concreteness, what is the reason that the universal cover is this string of beads?

If you wanted to use Van Kampen, couldn't you take the "left of the sphere with the string" along with the "right of the sphere with the string"? Each piece will be homotopic to a circle and their overlap will be homotopic to a figure 8. It seems that the amalgamation will identify the two generators and you indeed get the integers, which is the "obvious" answer.
 
Oh, I was thinking of your bead incorrectly, I see why it is the universal cover, never mind!
 
well you are right i ignored the question. but the cover makes it obvious the group is Z. (i think?)
 
No, your answer was nice, much nicer than using Van Kampen- I was just noting that it isn't too hard to use Van Kampen if that's what the OP wanted to do.

I've just thought again about your answer. Do I have this right- in your bead, I imagine your sphere (and interval) being cut in halves along the equator, and then the interval is made to point out in the opposite direction. You then glue these all back together in the obvious way. It will have trivial fundamental group since it is homotopic to a wedge of spheres and the covering map sends a point to where it came from in the above construction.

The set of deck transformations is Z, because it just matters where you send some particular sphere (I was worried about "flipping" everything being a self-homeomorphism- but thinking about it, this won't be a deck transformation).
 

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