Fundamental kinematics question

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a constant force applied to an object. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the change in speed of a 16-kg object subjected to an 8.0N force over 4.0 seconds, particularly due to conflicting results obtained from different equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of kinematic equations and question the interpretation of average versus instantaneous velocity. The original poster attempts to reconcile differing results from calculations involving acceleration and displacement.

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There is ongoing exploration of the concepts of average velocity and change in velocity, with some participants providing clarifications on the definitions and applications of the relevant equations. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify misunderstandings without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the importance of understanding uniformly accelerated motion and the distinction between average and instantaneous values in kinematics. The original poster's confusion highlights potential gaps in foundational understanding of these concepts.

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Homework Statement


I seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the kinematic principles in this question.

A constant force of 8.0N is exerted for 4.0s on a 16-kg object initially at rest. What will the change in speed of this object be?

Homework Equations


F = ma
Δx = v0t + 1/2 at2
Δv = v0 +at
Δv = Δx/Δt
Δv = v0 + aΔt

The Attempt at a Solution


F = ma

thus

a = (8.0N) / (16.0 kg) = .5 m/s^2

then

Δx = (0 m/s)(4 s) + 1/2(.5 m/s^2)(4 s)^2 = 4 m

if

Δv = Δx/Δt

then

Δv = (4 m) / (4 s) = 1 m/s

but using Δv = aΔt

Δv = (.5 m/s^2)(4 s) = 2 m/s

I don't understand why I would have two conflicting answers there. Just curious if anyone might have some insight on why that would be. Thanks!
 
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\frac{ \triangle x}{\triangle t} is an average velocity over the 4 second interval, not the instanteous velocity of object at the end of the 4 seconds.
 
abram said:
Δv = Δx/Δt
What's this equation mean to you?
 
Bystander said:
What's this equation mean to you?

There are various interpretations. One is that if velocity is constant with respect to time then it is equal to the change of distance over a time interval divided by the length of that time interval. Thinking of the equation as a way to remember some calculus, you could think of the meaning: "Instanteous velocity at a given time is equal to instantaneous rate of change of distance with respect to time at that instant". The way you used the equation was to compute an average velocity.
 
I was asking the OP, not you, as a hint, while we posted simultaneously.
 
Bystander said:
I was asking the OP, not you, as a hint, while we posted simultaneously.

I should have noticed that you weren't the OP.
 
abram said:

Homework Statement


I seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the kinematic principles in this question.

A constant force of 8.0N is exerted for 4.0s on a 16-kg object initially at rest. What will the change in speed of this object be?

Homework Equations


F = ma
Δx = v0t + 1/2 at2
Δv = v0 +at
Δv = Δx/Δt
Δv = v0 + aΔt

Your relevant equations are not correct. It is uniformly accelerating motion, that means v = v0 +at, where v0 is the velocity at t=0, or change of velocity in the interval Δt is Δv=aΔt.
The displacement Δx= v0t + 1/2 at2 is correct.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. I suspected that at first as well. I then thought that if 2 m/s was the final velocity, then

Δv = (2 m/s) - (0 m/s) = 2 m/s

I just couldn't see how 1 m/s could be the average, but I'll play around with it some more and see how that happens. Thanks again.
 
For v = v0 + at, that would play out as:

v = (0 m/s) + (.5 m/s2)(4 s) = 2 m/s

I'm confusing average velocity with change in velocity. I new there was something. Thanks again folks!
 
  • #10
For the average of two velocities, it would be something like:

vavg = (2 m/s - 0 m/s)/2 = 1 m/s
 
  • #11
abram said:
For v = v0 + at, that would play out as:

v = (0 m/s) + (.5 m/s2)(4 s) = 2 m/s
The change of speed was asked.
Yes, the speed will be 2 m/s at the end of the 4th second. As it was zero initially, so the change of speed is 2 m/s.

The average velocity is defined for a time interval Δt as displacement Δx over time Δt: vaverage=Δx/ Δt.
You have the formula for Δx=voΔt+a/2 Δt2. As vo = 0, Δx=a/2 Δt2, and vaverage=Δx/ Δt=a/2 Δt.
There is a other formula for the displacement in case the velocity changes from v1 to v2 in time Δt: ##\Delta x = \frac{v_1+v_2}{2}\Delta t##.
In case of uniformly accelerating motion, the average of the velocity in a time interval is also the average (mean) of the initial and final velocities.
 
  • #12
ehild said:
The change of speed was asked.
Yes, the speed will be 2 m/s at the end of the 4th second. As it was zero initially, so the change of speed is 2 m/s.

The average velocity is defined for a time interval Δt as displacement Δx over time Δt: vaverage=Δx/ Δt.
You have the formula for Δx=voΔt+a/2 Δt2. As vo = 0, Δx=a/2 Δt2, and vaverage=Δx/ Δt=a/2 Δt.
There is a other formula for the displacement in case the velocity changes from v1 to v2 in time Δt: ##\Delta x = \frac{v_1+v_2}{2}\Delta t##.
In case of uniformly accelerating motion, the average of the velocity in a time interval is also the average (mean) of the initial and final velocities.

Roger that. Good to know!
 

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