Fusion and Nuclear Weapons Proliferation?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of fusion technology on nuclear weapons proliferation, particularly focusing on the potential for pure fusion bombs, the fuels used in fusion reactors, and the relationship between fusion power development and nuclear weapon capabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some experts claim that technology for pure fusion bombs exists, but these devices may not offer advantages over conventional explosives.
  • Deuterium and tritium are considered likely fuels for fusion reactors, with deuterium being extractable from heavy water, which is more readily available than highly enriched uranium or plutonium.
  • One participant notes that hydrogen bombs, which utilize fusion, have been tested, with the largest being a Russian bomb at 50 Megatons.
  • There is a distinction made between pure fusion bombs and hydrogen bombs that use fission triggers, with some arguing that pure fusion bombs would not be practical due to the energy required to initiate fusion.
  • Another participant suggests that if fusion reactors based on deuterium-deuterium (DD) reactions are developed, this could lead to increased proliferation, as neutrons from DD reactions could produce plutonium and tritium could be extracted for weapons.
  • Concerns are raised about the engineering challenges of fusion power, which may limit its applicability to weapons despite the knowledge of fusion reactions.
  • One participant asserts that advances in inertial confinement fusion (ICF) and magnetic confinement would not lead to weaponization opportunities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the development of fusion technology would lead to increased nuclear weapons proliferation. Some believe it could facilitate proliferation through the production of materials for weapons, while others argue that the engineering challenges and practicalities would prevent this outcome. No consensus is reached on the implications of fusion technology for nuclear weapons proliferation.

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Participants highlight various technical aspects of fusion reactions, including the feasibility of different fuel types and the engineering challenges involved in creating practical fusion reactors. There are also references to the limitations of current fusion technology and its potential implications for weaponization.

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Some experts claim that the technology to create pure fusion bombs already exists, although the resulting device wouldn't result in any real advantages over conventional explosives (source).

Deuterium and tritium are also considered the most likely fuels for a fusion reactor. The deuterium would likely be extracted from heavy water (interestingly, heavy water reactors are also well suited for producing tritium and plutonium), which isn't really that rare or exotic a material, certainly not when compared to highly enriched uranium or plutonium, and it would likely be less expensive and more readily available if used as a fusion fuel.

If fusion power were developed could improved knowledge of the fusion reaction process and the ready availability of deuterium lead to a situation of increased nuclear weapons proliferation?
 
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Generally called Hydrogen bombs and they have already been proven and do exist. The largest made and tested H-Bomb was by the Russians at 50 Megatons.
 
CalcNerd said:
Generally called Hydrogen bombs and they have already been proven and do exist. The largest made and tested H-Bomb was by the Russians at 50 Megatons.
No, he's referring to a fusion bomb that does not use a fission explosion as a trigger. See the Wikipedia article he links to as his source.
Delta Force said:
Some experts claim that the technology to create pure fusion bombs already exists, although the resulting device wouldn't result in any real advantages over conventional explosives (source).
Yeah, it takes so much conventional explosive to ignite a small fusion target that there is not much point in making the explosive that way. A fuel-air explosive is much a much more practical way to make bigger explosions...
Delta Force said:
If fusion power were developed could improved knowledge of the fusion reaction process and the ready availability of deuterium lead to a situation of increased nuclear weapons proliferation?
It wouldn't seem so. Advances in ICF will still be confined to pretty small fusion targets (with giant lasers required), and magnetic confinement wouldn't seem to offer anything that could be weaponized, IMO.
 
If fusion reactors based on DD reactions are developed, that will likely "lead to a situation of increased nuclear weapons proliferation", but not because of new techniques to generate fusion. The neutrons from the DD reactions can be absorbed in U238 to produce Pu239, and the tritium from the DD reactions can be removed for use in nuclear weapons.
 
Delta Force said:
Some experts claim that the technology to create pure fusion bombs already exists, although the resulting device wouldn't result in any real advantages over conventional explosives (source).
Not a scientifically reliable source.

Deuterium and tritium are also considered the most likely fuels for a fusion reactor. The deuterium would likely be extracted from heavy water (interestingly, heavy water reactors are also well suited for producing tritium and plutonium), which isn't really that rare or exotic a material, certainly not when compared to highly enriched uranium or plutonium, and it would likely be less expensive and more readily available if used as a fusion fuel.
d+t is the easiest reaction to obtain, since it has higher cross-section at the lowest temperatures. d+d would be more preferable, as would aneutronic reactions such as d+3He or p+11B.

One of the problems with mixed-gas systems is that there are side reactions, and when Z increases, the energy losses from various radiation mechanisms increases.

If fusion power were developed could improved knowledge of the fusion reaction process and the ready availability of deuterium lead to a situation of increased nuclear weapons proliferation?
We know a lot about fusion reactions. The challenge is in the engineering, which usually requires large EM-mechanical systems to confine and heat the plasma. Fortunately, that does not lend itself to weapons.

In short, the answer to the question is, No!
 
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