Fusion with help of accelerators?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using neutral beam accelerators to achieve practical fusion by colliding deuterium atoms. Participants explore historical experiments, technical challenges, and various theoretical approaches related to fusion technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether neutral beam accelerators can effectively collide deuterium atoms for fusion.
  • Historical reference is made to the SIGFE experiment, which reportedly produced neutrons through spallation rather than fusion.
  • Concerns are raised about space-charge problems associated with using ion beams for fusion, suggesting that neutral beams might be a better alternative.
  • There is a proposal to slightly ionize deuterium vapor to enhance conductivity before acceleration, though the necessity of full ionization is debated.
  • Some participants argue that small ionization might suffice for acceleration, referencing railgun technology as a potential analogy.
  • Discussion includes the potential of electrohydrodynamic generators and whether similar principles could be applied in reverse for fusion purposes.
  • Participants mention the need for electric fields to accelerate ions and the challenges of maintaining beam density and neutrality.
  • There is a discussion about the Polywell fusion device, with varying opinions on its potential for being a cheaper alternative to Tokamaks, though the complexity and requirements for superconducting magnets are noted.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility and cost-effectiveness of the Polywell concept compared to established fusion technologies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the use of neutral versus ion beams for fusion, the viability of the Polywell device, and the overall direction of fusion research. No consensus is reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various technical challenges, such as space-charge issues and the need for ionization, without resolving these complexities. The discussion also reflects differing opinions on the practicality and cost of emerging fusion technologies.

  • #61
Stanley514 said:
If this is for real why is not used to generate power?Could you give some ref. on such experiments?

Hi Stanley, I found this link on Ion Beam Fusion at Berkeley National Laboratory, University of California. Very promising work by the look of things!
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/sabl/2005/June/01-HIF.html
 
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  • #62
Stanley514 said:
If this is for real why is not used to generate power?Could you give some ref. on such experiments?

Because it doesn't generate net power. It uses more than it produces.
 
  • #63
More recent NDCX-II activities

http://hifweb.lbl.gov/public/slides/Friedman NDCX-II for NAS Jan2011+Warp.pdf

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/05/08/ndcx-accelerator/

Plasma sources for NDCX-II and heavy ion drivers
http://nonneutral.pppl.gov/pdfpapers2012/Gilson_HIF2012_Sources_Paper.pdf
E. P. Gilsona, R. C. Davidsona, P. C. Efthimiona, I. D. Kaganovicha, J. W. Kwanb, S. M. Lidiab, P. A. Nib, P. K. Royb, P. A. Seidlb, W. L. Waldronb, J. J. Barnardc, A. Friedmanc
aPrinceton Plasma Physics Laboratory, Princeton University, P.O. Box 451, Princeton, New Jersey, 08543, USA
bLawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, One Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, California, 94720, USA
cLawrence Livermore National Laboratory, P. O Box 808, Livermore, California, 94550, USA
 

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