G Forces experienced by human if rotated inside a giant hampster wheel

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a giant rotating wheel with a 30m radius designed to keep a human unrestrained on its inner surface. Participants explore the calculations necessary to determine the required rotational speed and the varying G-forces experienced by a person at different positions within the wheel.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the speed needed for a 70kg human to remain unrestrained inside the wheel and the G-forces experienced at various points.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of attempting the calculations independently before seeking help, suggesting that the forum is not meant for simply providing answers.
  • A participant provides a calculation indicating that at a certain rotational speed, the force required to keep the human in circular motion equals their weight, leading to a derived angular speed of approximately 0.58 rad/s, resulting in zero G-force at the top of the wheel.
  • It is noted that the maximum G-force experienced occurs at the bottom of the wheel, reaching up to 2G due to the combination of gravitational and centrifugal forces.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the calculations and shares a related architectural concept, linking it to a previous project involving a roller coaster.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the effects of increasing the wheel's radius to 40m while maintaining the same angular velocity, leading to a calculated G-force of 13.04, suggesting a total force of 2.3G at the bottom of the wheel.

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Participants present various calculations and interpretations regarding the G-forces and rotational speeds, but no consensus is reached on the implications of these calculations or the feasibility of the project.

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Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the system, such as the uniformity of the rotational speed and the neglect of other forces that may act on the human inside the wheel. The discussion also highlights the complexity of walking along the inside surface during rotation, with varying forces experienced throughout the motion.

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I am working on an a project that consists of a giant wheel with a 30m radius that will be rotating at a velocity fast enough to keep a human on the inside surface of the wheel without being attached.

Please refer to 30s in for reference of similar motion performed by a hamster:

Can somebody please help me in calculating the speed at which the wheel needs to rotate to keep a human (70kg) unrestrained freely rotating around the inside of the wheel?

And secondly, how to calculate the varying G-forces exerted at the bottom, top and sides of the wheel.

Thirdly, I am assuming that theoretically it would be possible for the human to then begin to walk a long the inside surface during the rotation?
 
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Do you have any idea how to go about doing the calculations you are asking for? It is not the intent of this forum to simply provide answers. If you try it yourself and get stuck, we're here to help.

If you know absolutely nothing about how to do this, then perhaps you should think of a different project.
 
edit- didn't see reply #1 when I clicked reply! Not sure what to do now...
The person is most likely to fall when at the very top of the wheel, and at a certain rotational speed, the force required to keep him in circular motion can be made equal to his own weight (which acts through the axis of rotation). You can find this by equating the two quantities, mg = mrw^2. The weight of the human doesn't play a part in the calculation after cancellation, and if r = 30 then it leaves you with an angular speed of sqrt(10/30) = 0.58 rad/s.

At this point the reaction from the floor will be momentarily zero, and the g-force is zero because the man is essentially in free-fall. Regarding the rest of the rotation, the force that the rotating man experiences (in his non-inertial frame) is mg from gravity (down) plus mg from centrifugal (outward). The highest force he feels is at the bottom where it is exactly 2G.

It should be possible to walk along the inside certainly, although it will be very tricky as the reaction force below his feet goes from 0 to 2G every 6 seconds.
 
Sorry phinds, for not posting my attempt. As you can see its my first post. I did an A level in physics, but it was a while ago. My brain has since been filled with architectural jargon.

And thank you very much MickeyW. This is actually what I got but for some reason I thought it seemed too little a value.

I see a very interesting architectural proposition coming out of this.

Reminds me of this project. http://www.julijonasurbonas.lt/p/euthanasia-coaster/

Thanks guys.
 
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So just elaborate on this, if the wheel stays at a constant angular velocity of 0.571 rad/s and the radius of the wheel gets altered to 40m.

Would g increase to 13.04?

mg=mrw^2
g=40x0.571^2
g=13.04

and thus the force felt at the bottom of the wheel 9.81+13.04 = 2.3G?
 
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