How much power motor I need to rotate big ferris wheel

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The discussion revolves around calculating the motor power required to rotate a large Ferris wheel, focusing on the necessary torque and power specifications based on the wheel's dimensions and weight. Participants explore the implications of weight distribution and external factors affecting the calculations.

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  • One participant seeks formulas to calculate the total torque and motor power needed for a Ferris wheel with specific dimensions and weight.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the calculation, asking if it is for a school project or a real application, and raises concerns about rider distribution and wind effects.
  • A participant confirms the project is real and states that the rider cabins will be evenly distributed, but acknowledges uncertainty about wind speed.
  • One reply suggests that the calculations may require a high level of expertise due to the complexity of the project, likening it to constructing a moving building.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the distribution of mass affects the torque needed to accelerate the wheel, noting that uneven weight distribution could significantly impact the calculations, especially in extreme scenarios.

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Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the calculations, particularly about the effects of weight distribution and external factors like wind. There is no consensus on the exact torque or power requirements, and multiple viewpoints on the complexities involved remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight the importance of mass distribution in torque calculations and the potential impact of rider behavior on the overall dynamics of the Ferris wheel. There are also mentions of assumptions that may need to be made regarding wind conditions.

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Hi Guys,

I am pleased to join this forum to learn something from experienced guys and thanks in advance for helping me to understand physics.

I am trying to design a Ferris wheel with maximum SPEED and maximum PASSENGER capacity. I want to know formula to calculate MOTOR POWER IN KW to rotate that Ferris wheel. Here are general specs of the wheel.

Diameter: 106 Meter
Radius: 53

Wheel total weight: 1000 Ton
Exclude Wheel standing structure: 30%
Rotating Wheel weight: 700 ton (Everything including spindle, hub, bearing, spoke cables, rim, cabin, riders weight, etc)
Minutes Per Round: 10 (1 round completed in 10 minutes)
Round Per Minute: 0.10
Wheel Speed: .55 meter per second

For this calculation if only rim, spoke cables, cabin/rider weight is required then you can make rough estimate what might be the weight of spindle, hub, bearing, etc. which are creating force. You can make an assumption and then calculate on that assumption. I will fix formula in Excel as per given here and then adjust weight.

I want to know
1. What is total torque generated by wheel (Newton Meters / Joules)
2. What power motor in HP or KW I needed to rotate this wheel

Once I get formula then I can set that formula in Excel and try to change speed to find good results.

Please help me.

Thanks

Shaks
 
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Why are you doing this calculation? Is it a schoolwork project, or do you have a real application?

Will the riders be distributed evenly around the wheel or might they all be on one side?
How will you allow for wind speed being greater at the top of the wheel than the bottom?
 
Thank you for helping me.

This is the calculation of real project.

Yes, rider cabin will be distributed evenly. I don' have idea of wind speed. You can assume that wind is normal. First I need to complete calculation if every thing is normal.

Thank you
 
The answers from this thread apply to your question. But there is probably some more tedious details to look at for your project that require a high level of expertise (after all, you are basically making a building that can move!)

A quick number might be obtained from this project as the weight and sizes are very similar to your project. Although I have no clue how they got their numbers.
 
The weight of the wheel does not alone tell you how much torque you need to accelerate it at a given rate. It also depends on how the mass is distributed inside its circumference. If most mass is located close to its circumference, you need more torque to start the wheel turning than if most of the mass is located closer to the hub. Because the acceleration closer to the circumference is greater than closer to the hub.
Also have in mind that some people tend to change their mind and do not join the ride, and there will probably be some uneven distribution of people.
In a worst case scenario, there is people only on one side of the wheel. If it between close to the top and close to the bottom is as much as 100 people with average weight of 75kg each, you will at 53 meter radius have to fight a torque of 2.7 million Nm - if my calculations are correct.

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