Galilei, Poincare and conformal symmetry

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The discussion revolves around the nature of symmetry transformations in nonrelativistic mechanics, particularly focusing on Galilean transformations and their relationship to conformal symmetries. Participants explore the implications of these symmetries for massless particles and the existence of a nonrelativistic limit.

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  • One participant notes that Galilean transformations are not the most general symmetry transformations of nonrelativistic mechanics, suggesting that additional symmetries exist.
  • Another participant clarifies that the article refers to noninteracting point particles, indicating that the group discussed includes dilations, which are not typically considered a symmetry of Newtonian mechanics.
  • Some participants question whether dilation symmetry is applicable only to massless particles, raising concerns about the implications for measuring mass in noninteracting systems.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the implications of conformal symmetries and dilation symmetries, with no consensus reached on their applicability to massless particles or the nonrelativistic limit.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between conformal symmetries and nonrelativistic mechanics, particularly concerning the existence and role of additional symmetries in this context.

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Reading this article: http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0102011 made me wonder:

1.) So, it appears that Galilean transformations are not the most general symmetry transformations of nonrelativistic mechanics. Fine.
2.) The article states that the two additional symmetries are the nonrelativistic limit of conformal symmetries. But! Isn't it true that conformal symmetry is a symmetry of (and only of!) massless particles? Therefore it shouldn't have a nonrelativistic limit.
3.) So, either conformal symmetry lacks two parameters or I don't see how the nonrelativistic limit works. Where do the 3 leftover symmetries die out in the nonrelativistic limit?
 
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Heirot said:
1.) So, it appears that Galilean transformations are not the most general symmetry transformations of nonrelativistic mechanics.
I don't think that's quite what it says. It says that they are not the most general symmetry transformations of of a noninteracting point particle in nonrelativistic mechanics. The group they're talking about includes dilations, which are not a symmetry of Newtonian mechanics.
 
Doesn't the dilation symmetry correspond also only to massless particles?
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Doesn't the dilation symmetry correspond also only to massless particles?

If they're noninteracting, then I guess there's no way even to measure their mass.
 

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