Gas in mercury manometer, finding its normal volume

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The discussion centers on calculating the "normal volume" of gas in a mercury manometer, specifically under conditions of 30 degrees Celsius and a barometric pressure of 75 mmHg. The key equations derived include the relationship between the gas pressure, the height difference of mercury, and the gas volume inside the manometer. The calculated volume of gas outside the tube, termed "normal volume," is incorrectly estimated at 56.67 cm³, while the expected value is approximately 50.4 cm³. The discrepancy suggests a misunderstanding of the conditions under which "normal volume" is defined, likely referring to Normal Temperature and Pressure (NTP).

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Homework Statement
At the top of the sealed off end of a mercury manometer U-tube there's a gas: at 30 degrees Celsius, its volume is 50 cubic centimeters. The mercury level is 10 cm lower in the closed end than in the open end of the tube. The barometer shows a pressure of 75 mmHg. Find the normal volume of the gas.
Relevant Equations
pV = nRT,
p = ρgh
Some notation:
- the difference between the heights of mercury, which is effectively the height of the mercury in the open end of the tube is ##h_{diff}##
- the volume of gas inside the sealed off end is ##V_{inside}##
- the volume of gas when let outside, "normal volume", is ##V_{outside}##
- the amount of the gas in moles is ##n##
- the temperature of gas is ##T##
- the pressure measured by the barometer is ##p_{outside}##
- the density of mercury is ##\rho##
- the mercury level in the barometer (measuring outside pressure, I assume) is ##h_{barometer}##

The pressure of the gas in the sealed off end should be balanced by the pressure of the mercury level difference in the open end + the pressure the barometer's showing (outside pressure):

$$\frac{nRT}{V_{inside}} = \rho g \left(h_{diff}+h_{barometer}\right)$$

From this I get the amount of substance ##n## as
$$n = \frac{\rho g \left(h_{diff}+h_{barometer}\right) V_{inside} }{RT}$$

I'm not sure what "normal volume" is, but I assume it just means outside of the tube, at the same temperature, i.e. ##T = 30^\circ C##:

$$V_{outside} = \frac{nRT}{p_{outside}} = \frac{\frac{\rho g \left(h_{diff}+h_{barometer}\right) V_{inside} }{RT} \cdot RT}{\rho g h_{barometer}} $$
$$V_{outside} = \frac{\left(h_{diff}+h_{barometer}\right) V_{inside}}{h_{barometer}}$$

This gives me the wrong result. The correct result is around ##50.4 ~ cm^3##, and I get ##56.67##, so... I'm missing something again. I think my main idea is correct (the first two equations), but at the end I assume that in order to get this "normal" volume of the gas, it should be outside the tube, and its pressure should be equal to the outside pressure, so that's why I plug that into the formula.

I'd appreciate any hints you might throw at me.
 
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plain stupid said:
the volume of gas when let outside, "normal volume"
I think "normal volume" means volume at NTP.
 
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plain stupid said:
Homework Statement:: At the top of the sealed off end of a mercury manometer U-tube there's a gas: at 30 degrees Celsius, its volume is 50 cubic centimeters. The mercury level is 10 cm lower in the closed end than in the open end of the tube. The barometer shows a pressure of 75 mmHg.

I think @haruspex is correct about 'NTP'. Presumably you have now looked-up 'NTP'.

Are you sure you have the question correct? The pressure shown on the barometer (75mmHg) is presumably the pressure outside the manometer. But 75mmHg is more than 10 times smaller than average atmospheric pressure. Sounds suspicious.
 

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