Gaseous Chemical Reactions and Volumes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen gases to form water vapor. Participants explore the calculation of the volume of water vapor produced under constant pressure and temperature, considering concepts such as limiting reagents and the conservation of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Daniel initially attempts to apply the conservation of mass and derive the volume of water vapor produced from the reaction using molar masses and gas laws.
  • Daniel later revises his calculation, identifying the limiting reagent as oxygen, which constrains the amount of water vapor produced to 200 mL.
  • Another participant points out that using Avogadro's law simplifies the problem, as the ratio of volumes at constant pressure and temperature corresponds directly to the ratio of moles.
  • Daniel acknowledges the feedback and reflects on the unnecessary complexity of his initial approach, expressing a desire to simplify future calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of identifying the limiting reagent in the reaction. However, there is a disagreement regarding the necessity of the detailed calculations, with some suggesting that a simpler application of Avogadro's law would suffice.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of using different approaches to the problem, highlighting the potential for confusion when not considering limiting reagents or when overcomplicating the solution process.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in chemical reactions, stoichiometry, and gas laws may find this discussion helpful for understanding the application of these concepts in problem-solving.

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(Hi everyone! Apologising for the trivial(and likely boring) question in advance. Sadly, it has me boggled for some reason).

Homework Statement


In a certain temperature and under a pressure, 500 mL of H2, and 100 mL of O2 are poured into a container. A Chemical reaction occurs as follows:
2H_2+O_2 \rightarrow 2H_2O (g)
Find the volume of the water vapour released in the reaction, with the same pressure and temperature.

Homework Equations


(My physical inclination): Conservation of Mass...

The Attempt at a Solution


Since no mass, of any element, is lost during this process, the right-hand and left-hand sides of the equation must equal, when considering their respective mass input.
So:
<br /> 2\cdot x\cdot m^{&#039;}_{H_2}+y\cdot m^{&#039;}_{O_2} = 2\cdot z\cdot m^{&#039;}_{H_2O}<br />
(m' denotes the respective molar mass. x, y, z, mole counts, derived below).
Since I know the Physical conditions to be constant during process, I take arbitrary Pressure, and Temperature (P, T), to obtain:
x_i = \frac{pV_i}{RT}
Therefore:
<br /> 2 \frac{pV_1}{RT}m^{&#039;}_{H_2}+\frac{pV_2}{RT}m^{&#039;}_{O_2}=2\frac{pV_3}{RT}m^{&#039;}_{H_2O} <br />
As expected, I lose my P/RT, to find:
<br /> 2 m^{&#039;}_{1}\cdot V_1+m^{&#039;}_{2}\cdot V_2 = 2m^{&#039;}_{3}\cdot V_3<br />
Therefore, solving for V_3:
V_3 = \frac{2 m^{&#039;}_{1}\cdot V_1+m^{&#039;}_{2}\cdot V_2}{2m^{&#039;}_{3}} \approx 144.44 mL \\<br /> m^{&#039;}_{1} \Rightarrow H_2 = 2\frac{g}{mol} \\ <br /> m^{&#039;}_{2} \Rightarrow O_2 = 32\frac{g}{mol} \\ <br /> m^{&#039;}_{3} \Rightarrow H_2O = 18\frac{g}{mol} <br />
Yet, I fear, this is not the correct answer!
What have I done wrong?
Thankful, as always, for your attention,
Daniel
 
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Sorry guys and gals for bumping this, but I've ascertained the correct answer to be 200 mL and I still can't figure out how to get it!
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Beholden,
Daniel
 
Okay folks, solution at hand!
My mistake was rooted in the fact that I didn't consider who the limiting reagent was, in this question.
By calculating with the given volumes I find that \frac{n_{H_2}}{n_{O_2}} = 5 &gt; 2(n -> number of moles), meaning that O2 will form my constraint. It will have run out before the sequestration of all the Hydrogen in the system.
Therefore, the amount of Water vapour produced will depend solely on the amount of Oxygen invested in the reaction.
Thus: n_{O_2} = \frac{PV_{O_2}}{RT} \\<br /> 1 n_{O_2} \rightarrow 2 n_{H_2O} \\<br /> \frac{2PV_{O_2}}{RT}m^{&#039;}_{H_2O} = \rho_{H_2O}V_{H_2O} \text{ (Conservation of mass)} \\<br /> \rho = \frac{m^{&#039;}P}{RT} \\ <br /> \frac{2PV_{O_2}}{RT}m^{&#039;}_{H_2O} = \frac{m^{&#039;}_{H_2O}P}{RT}V_{H_2O} \\<br />
Pm'(H20)/RT is lost, to finally yield:
V_{H_2O} = 2V_{O_2} = 200 mL which is indeed the right answer!
Thanks for your attention everyone,
And I hope this helps someone else, with similar difficulties.
 
Limiting reagent first, but then you did a lot of completely unnecessary work - Avogadro's law tells us ratio of volumes (measured at the same P,T) is identical to the ratio of numbers of moles. This makes the exercise trivial.
 
Thanks Borek... that'll really come in handy.
(The Mathematical sirens in me decided to lure me into a pointless exercise in variables and &c). :D.
Of course, in hind sight, applying Avogadro is the only rational way to go, as you say.
Will keep it simpler, from now on.
Thank you!
 

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