How Is Charge Distributed in a Conductor with an Internal Cavity?

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The discussion revolves around the charge distribution in a conductor with an internal cavity, specifically addressing the implications of a point charge located within that cavity and the resulting effects on the conductor's surfaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the net charge on the conductor, the charge within the cavity, and the charges on the inner and outer surfaces. Questions arise regarding the application of Gauss's law and the interpretation of charge enclosed by Gaussian surfaces.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the conventional methods for calculating charge on the outer surface and clarifying the implications of drawing Gaussian surfaces. There is a focus on understanding the conditions under which the electric field is zero within the conductor.

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Participants note that the charge on the cavity wall is influenced by the point charge within the cavity, and there is a consideration of how the placement of Gaussian surfaces affects the interpretation of enclosed charge.

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1. The Question
An isolated conductor of arbitrary shape has a net charge of +10\times10^{-6}C. Inside the conductor is a cavity within which is a point charge q = +3\times10^{-6}C. What is the charge on the outer surface of the conductor?


2. The attempt at a solution
On cavity wall: q=-q=-3\times10^{-6}C
On outer surface: Net Charge + Charge Inside Cavity =+13\times10^{-6}C


3. The problem I encounter
All books I have read say that to calculate on the outer surface it's the net charge minus the charge on cavity wall. Why is it this and not how I did it which is Net Charge + Charge Inside Cavity? Surely, the charge on the cavity wall is only there when we draw the Gaussian surface.
 
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3. The problem I encounter
All books I have read say that to calculate on the outer surface it's the net charge minus the charge on cavity wall. Why is it this and not how I did it which is Net Charge + Charge Inside Cavity?
Net charge on the conductor equals the sum of the charges on its inner and outer surfaces, Qnet = Qouter + Qinner. But Qinner + Qcavity = 0, thus Qinner = -Qcavity. Thus subtracting the inner charge is the same thing as adding the enclosed charge.
Surely, the charge on the cavity wall is only there when we draw the Gaussian surface.
Drawing the Gaussian surface allows you to deduce the charge on the inner surface, it doesn't create the charge. The charge doesn't know anything about what you draw or don't draw!
 
Is the charge enclosed in the Gaussian Surface zero or q = +3\times10^{-6}C?
 
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Is the charge enclosed in the Gaussian Surface zero or q = +3\times10^{-6}C?
That depends on where you draw your Gaussian surface. Assuming your Gaussian surface is within the conducting material, then the net charge enclosed will be zero.

On the other hand, if you drew a Gaussian surface in the cavity but surrounding the point charge, the charge enclosed will equal that point charge.
 
Doc Al said:
That depends on where you draw your Gaussian surface. Assuming your Gaussian surface is within the conducting material, then the net charge enclosed will be zero.

On the other hand, if you drew a Gaussian surface in the cavity but surrounding the point charge, the charge enclosed will equal that point charge.


So, Am I correct to think that between the Cavity wall and the end of the conducting material, there is no field because charge enclosed is zero hence deriving the electric field through Gauss law would give zero electric field?
 
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So, Am I correct to think that between the Cavity wall and the end of the conducting material, there is no field because charge enclosed is zero hence deriving the electric field through Gauss law would give zero electric field?
I would look at it the other way around. Since everywhere within the conducting material the electrostatic field is zero, any Gaussian surface contained within the conducting material must enclose zero net charge.
 

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