Gδ set in normal space problem

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The discussion revolves around a theorem concerning closed Gδ sets in normal spaces. The original poster attempts to prove that a continuous function can be constructed under certain conditions, specifically focusing on the properties of closed sets and their intersections with open neighborhoods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the proof of the theorem, discussing the implications of normality and the properties of closed sets. There are attempts to show that A is closed and to establish the relationship between A and countable intersections of open sets. Questions arise about the validity of certain assumptions and the potential existence of clopen sets affecting the intersection.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and pointing out areas that require further thought. Some guidance has been offered regarding the construction of neighborhoods and the implications of normality, but no consensus has been reached on the proof's completeness or correctness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of ensuring that the intersection of neighborhoods equals A, raising concerns about the possibility of uncountably many sets and the nature of clopen sets in topology.

  • #31
micromass said:
Umm, the Weierstrass-M-test didn't work?? You might want to rethink that :smile:

Well, perhaps my resources were a bit bad.

I hate to mention it, but I looked on wikipedia, too :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_M-test

according to this, my constant Mn = 1, for every n and x, right? And the series of "1's" does not converge.

Now that I look at Kurepa's analysis book, I find a more sophisticated formulation. Briefly, it says that if every member fk of a series of functions is less (by absolute value) than the corresponding member of a convergent series of positive numbers, then the series of functions fk converges uniformly.

Actually, this is something I need, since I introduced the power series..Hm.
 
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  • #32
Yes, but in this case you have to find a Mn such that |2^{-n}f_n(x)|\leq M_n. Your series is

\sum{2^{-n}f_n(x)}

isn't it? If the series were

\sum{f_n(x)}

then I'd agree with you. But you've added the 2^{-n}...
 
  • #33
micromass said:
Yes, but in this case you have to find a Mn such that |2^{-n}f_n(x)|\leq M_n. Your series is

\sum{2^{-n}f_n(x)}

isn't it? If the series were

\sum{f_n(x)}

then I'd agree with you. But you've added the 2^{-n}...

This is exactly what I was talking about - lack of concentration :)

In this case, it's simple - we end up with a series 1/2, 1/4, etc. i.e. the series of powers of 2, which converges, right?
 
  • #34
Yes, that is correct! You've actually solved this problem, I'm amazed :smile: I actually teach topology to a class of undergraduates and I don't think any of them would have found this proof. I think you're a very good mathematician :approve:



That said, I want to make some remarks:

- another way to make one function out of the fn, is by taking the supremum. Thus f(x)=\sup_{n\in \mathbb{N}}{f_n(x)}. But showing continuity is (imo) a a little more tedious then with the series.

- a foreshadowing for later: you will use the same technique in the proof of the Tietze extension theorem. But there, the construction of the right series will be a bit more difficult.
 
  • #35
wow, thanks a lot!

I'll post the whole solution tomorrow. Right now, I can't think of anything anymore, but I'll look at the alternative proof tomorrow, too. :)
 
  • #36
Hmm, forget about my alternative "proof". It obviously doesn't work. I guess it's getting late for me to :smile:
 
  • #37
Here, for convenience, I'll just sum up the sketch of the proof of the other direction.

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Let A be a closed Gδ set in X, so it equals a countable intersection of open sets in X. For any positive integer m, define Am = \cap_{i=1}^m A_{i}. Further on, for any positive integer m, apply the Urysohn lemma to the disjoint closed sets A and X\Am in order to obtain a continuous function fm such that fm(A) = 0 and fm(X\Am) = 1. So, we obtain a sequence of continuous functions {fm}.

Now, for every positive integer m, define Sm = {x in Am\A : fm(x) = 0}. Then fm^-1({0}) = A U Sm\subseteqAm, for every m. Now, \cap_{m}(A U Sm) = A U (\cap_{m}Sm) = A, which implies \cap_{m}Sm = \emptyset. So, for any x in X, there exists some positive integer m such that fm(x)\neq0. This motivates the following definition:

Define h(x) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{2^k}f_{k}(x). It is easily checked that for any x in A, h(x) = 0, and for any x in X\A, h(x) > 0. Also, one can show that this series converges uniformly, and that its sum (i.e. h(x)) is a continuous function.
 
  • #38
Looks good!
 
  • #39
OK, thanks again for a great guideance!
 

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