General equations for powering a model aircraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equations and considerations necessary for sizing motors for a model aircraft, specifically one intended for first-person view (FPV) flying. Participants explore the power requirements based on weight, dimensions, and potential speeds for a model aircraft weighing approximately 5 kg with a wingspan of 2.5-3 meters.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on basic equations for motor sizing and power requirements for an FPV plane.
  • Another participant suggests researching typical engine sizes used in similar model airplanes.
  • A participant questions whether a direct weight-to-power ratio can be applied or if dimensional analysis is necessary for accurate calculations.
  • One suggestion involves searching for "radio control model watts per pound" to find relevant power-to-weight ratios.
  • A participant proposes that power requirements can be scaled down from larger aircraft using a specific scaling relationship based on dimensions and speeds, while noting potential inaccuracies due to differences in Reynolds number.
  • It is noted that many model aircraft operate at higher speeds and power-to-weight ratios than full-scale aircraft, with some capable of hovering and climbing vertically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best approach to determine power requirements, with no consensus on whether to use direct scaling or dimensional analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most accurate method for calculating power needs.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions about scaling relationships and the potential impact of Reynolds number differences, which may affect the accuracy of the proposed models.

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I was looking at building a fpv plane. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the basic equations i would need for motor sizing etc. Just how I would go about finding power required. Looking at about a loaded weight of about 5kg wingspan 2.5-3m. Not sure of speed maybe around 40-70kph.
 
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Welcome to the PF.

fpv = "First Person View"?

When you look at model airplanes that are around the size you want to build, what size engines do they typically use?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

fpv = "First Person View"?

When you look at model airplanes that are around the size you want to build, what size engines do they typically use?
yeah first person view. Nothing really around that size and that weight range that's all. And most are using an electric was thinking of using a petrol. Like could i use a direct ratio in terms of weight to power and just scale up or down as required. Or do I need to go through dimensional analysis and all that stuff
 
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As a first approximation, you can scale down the power required for a 'big' airplane. We may assume that the weight scales as L3 and that the airspeed scales as L1, so the power required would scale as L4. The glide ratio L/D is assumed to be equal, which may not be correct, due to the Reynolds number being different.

If your model is built -for example- at 1/6 scale, and the 'big' airplane needs 1000 hp, the power required for your model would be 1000 x (1/6)4 = 0,77 hp
 
A lot of model aircraft fly faster than scale speed, and typically, they have a higher power to weight or drag ratio than a full scale aircraft. At the upper end of the watts per pound range, you have models than can hover and climb while vertically oriented.
 

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