General Mathematics Grade 9 -- Find the length of a diagonal of the cuboid

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To find the length of the diagonal of a cuboid with a volume of 40 cm³, a surface area of 100 cm², and one edge measuring 2 cm, the equations for volume and surface area must be used simultaneously. The volume equation is 2 * L * H = 40, while the surface area equation is 2(LW + LH + WH) = 100. By substituting the known edge length into these equations and solving for the unknown dimensions, L and H can be determined. The diagonal can then be calculated using the formula √(L² + W² + H²). This approach requires careful manipulation of the equations to isolate and solve for the unknowns.
  • #31
Physiona said:
And then it'll equal:
4H + 120/H * H = 100.
The H will cancel, leaving:
4H + 120 = 100
Oops. What is ##\frac {120} H * H##
Sorry, I meant what is ##\frac {40} H * H##
 
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  • #32
tnich said:
Oops. What is ##\frac {120} H * H##
Sorry, I meant what is ##\frac {40} H * H##
Oh, is it 40H/H?
 
  • #33
Physiona said:
Is it 120H/H?
Sorry, I messed that up. Let's go back to post #27 where you say correctly that
Physiona said:
4H + 80/H + 40/H * H = 100
What is ##\frac {40} H * H##?
 
  • #34
Yes would it equal 40H/H?
 
  • #35
Physiona said:
Yes would it equal 40H/H?
OK, what is ##\frac H H##? It's not a trick question.
 
  • #36
That's 1 isn't it?
Sorry, having a rough day.
So it's 40?
 
  • #37
Physiona said:
That's 1 isn't it?
Sorry, having a rough day.
So it's 40?
Right. So now what does your equation 4H + 80/H + 40/H * H = 100 become?
 
  • #38
4H + 80/H + 40 = 100
 
  • #39
Physiona said:
4H + 80/H + 40 = 100
OK. Now solve it for H.
 
  • #40
The fraction bit of 4H and 80/H is confusing. Do I multiply 4H by H and divide 80?
 
  • #41
Physiona said:
The fraction bit of 4H and 80/H is confusing. Do I multiply 4H by H and divide 80?
Try multiplying the whole equation by H.
 
  • #42
Will I get 4H2 + 120 = 100
 
  • #43
Physiona said:
Will I get 4H2 + 120 = 100
Nope. You need to multiply each term in the equation (on both sides) by H. Also, what is ##\frac H H##?
 
  • #44
4H * H = 4H2
80/H = 80H/H or 80 I presume
40 * H = 40H
100 * H = 100H
Is this right?
 
  • #45
Physiona said:
4H * H = 4H2
80/H = 80H/H or 80 I presume
40 * H = 40H
100 * H = 100H
Is this right?
Right. Can you explain to me why if ##x + y + z = c##, then ##ax + ay + az = ac##?
 
  • #46
You're multiplying by a coefficient of a for all the terms aren't you?
 
  • #47
Physiona said:
You're multiplying by a coefficient of a for all the terms aren't you?
Right. And why does that work?
 
  • #48
Because they all have a common like term in them? I'm not sure..
 
  • #49
Physiona said:
Because they all have a common like term in them? I'm not sure..
If you start with ##x=3## and then say if you multiply both sides by a, then why is ##ax = 3a##?
 
  • #50
To make it balanced with the same coefficient. Right? As you multiply both sides by a..
 
  • #51
Physiona said:
To make it balanced with the same coefficient. Right? As you multiply both sides by a..
Say you have a number. Whatever you decide to call it, it's the same number, right? So whether you call it 3 or you call it x, it's the same number. That's what it means when we say ##x=3##. If you take that number and multiply it by a, then you get the same result whether you call it ##x## or 3. So you can say ##ax = 3a##. The point is, when you have an equation, if you want both sides to stay equal, you can't multiply one side by a number (or a variable) without multiplying the other side by the same number. In the same way, if you want to maintain equality, you can't multiple one term in an equation by a number without multiplying all of the other terms in the equation on both sides by the same number.
So now, take your equation 4H + 80/H + 40 = 100 and multiply by H.
Physiona said:
To make it balanced with the same coefficient. Right? As you multiply both sides by a..
 
  • #52
tnich said:
Say you have a number. Whatever you decide to call it, it's the same number, right? So whether you call it 3 or you call it x, it's the same number. That's what it means when we say ##x=3##. If you take that number and multiply it by a, then you get the same result whether you call it ##x## or 3. So you can say ##ax = 3a##. The point is, when you have an equation, if you want both sides to stay equal, you can't multiply one side by a number (or a variable) without multiplying the other side by the same number. In the same way, if you want to maintain equality, you can't multiple one term in an equation by a number without multiplying all of the other terms in the equation on both sides by the same number.
So now, take your equation 4H + 80/H + 40 = 100 and multiply by H.
I'm sorry but I did do that, and you haven't gave feedback on it. (Refer to post 44)
 
  • #53
Physiona said:
I'm sorry but I did do that, and you haven't gave feedback on it. (Refer to post 44)
You have not written the equation, yet. Multiply both sides of 4H + 80/H + 40 = 100 by H and show me what you get.
 
  • #54
tnich said:
You have not written the equation, yet. Multiply both sides of 4H + 80/H + 40 = 100 by H and show me what you get.
You should get a single equation as a result.
 
  • #55
I get 4H2 + 80 + 40H = 100H
 
  • #56
Physiona said:
I get 4H2 + 80 + 40H = 100H
Great! Now solve that for H.
 
  • #57
Okay thank you!
So do I collect like terms from both side:
4H2 + 80 = 100H - 40H
4H2+80= 60H


Hang on, can I solve it as a quadratic?
In the form of:
4H2-60H+80=0
 
  • #58
Physiona said:
Okay thank you!
So do I collect like terms from both side:
4H2 + 80 = 100H - 40H
4H2+80= 60H


Hang on, can I solve it as a quadratic?
In the form of:
4H2-60H+80=0
Go ahead.
 
  • #59
I end up with two solutions of:
13.520797289396
1.4792027106039
Is this correct?
 
  • #60
Physiona said:
I end up with two solutions of:
13.520797289396
1.4792027106039
Is this correct?
I think so. Now that you have H, how are you going to find L?
 

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