General question about ang momentum throug word problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving angular momentum and the dynamics of a rotating platform with a person walking towards its center. The scenario includes a person with mass m on a rotating platform of mass m2 and radius r, and the inquiry focuses on the implications of conservation of angular momentum when the person changes position.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which angular momentum is conserved, particularly questioning the assumption of zero external torque. There is a discussion about the implications of the problem statement regarding external forces and torques.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem. Some have provided insights into the nature of torque and angular momentum, while others continue to seek clarification on the absence of external torques.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify any external torques, leading to further exploration of the implications of this omission. There is an acknowledgment that the platform was already rotating prior to the scenario presented.

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a person with mass m stands at the outer edge of a round platform whose radius is r and whose mass is m2. the platform is rotating at a speed of ...rad/s. Assuming the platform to be a free rotating disk, what would be its angular speed if the person walked to its center?

Then the answer book says...

L(i) = L(f) because sum(torque) = 0...

How would I know the sum of the torques is zero...? Is the paragraph said.. " Assuming the platform to be a free rotating disk..." ?
 
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Miike012 said:
a person with mass m stands at the outer edge of a round platform whose radius is r and whose mass is m2. the platform is rotating at a speed of ...rad/s. Assuming the platform to be a free rotating disk, what would be its angular speed if the person walked to its center?

Then the answer book says...

L(i) = L(f) because sum(torque) = 0...

How would I know the sum of the torques is zero...? Is the paragraph said.. " Assuming the platform to be a free rotating disk..." ?

The torque being referred to is external torques (applied from outside the system under consideration, which consists of the platform and person). If there are no external torques, then the angular momentum of the system must be conserved (i.e. constant).
 
How do I know there are no external torques? I am thinking there must be some type of torque if the body is rotating...
 
Miike012 said:
How do I know there are no external torques? I am thinking there must be some type of torque if the body is rotating...

Well for one thing the problem statement did not mention any external torques :smile:
Presumably the platform got up to speed somehow, but we've "walked in" on the problem some time after things were arranged for us. We're presented with an already rotating platform.

Rotation does not require torque any more than velocity requires force. Remember Newton's first law.
 

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