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The discussion centers on calculating geodesics using the Euler-Lagrange (E-L) equations in the context of a specific metric ds² = (dt²/t²) - (dx²/t²). The user seeks clarification on the dependence of the Lagrangian L on the parameter λ and how to derive the equations correctly. A suggested approach involves using an equivalent Lagrangian L = gμν (dxμ/ds)(dxν/ds), which simplifies calculations by eliminating the square root. The user is advised to redefine derivatives as t' = dt/ds and x' = dx/ds for clarity in applying the E-L equations.

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Hello! I ask this question in this forum because I wish to be given a general explanation.
Hope it is OK

given this metric:
[itex]ds^2= \frac {dt^2} {t^2}- \frac{dx^2} {t^2}[/itex]
I wish to calculate the geodesics.

[itex]S=\int{ \frac {d} {d\lambda} \sqrt{\frac {1} {t^2} \frac {dt^2} {d\lambda^2}- \frac{1} {t^2} \frac {dx^2} {d\lambda^2}}}[/itex]

But [itex]\lambda[/itex] here, is any parameter I choose. Therefore, L does not depend on it (right? )
So now I want to use E-L equations:

[itex]\frac {d}{dλ}\frac {∂L}{∂\dot t}=\frac {\partial L} {∂t}, <br /> \frac {d} {dλ}\frac {∂L} {∂\dot x} =\frac {\partial L} {∂x}[/itex]

When [itex]\dot t[/itex] refers to [itex]\frac {dt} {d\lambda}[/itex] etc.
But here I get confused:
What does L depend on?
I'll continue my solution:

[itex]\frac {d} {dλ} 0.5 ({{\frac {{\dot t}^2} {t^2}-\frac {{\dot x}^2} {t^2}}})^{-0.5} 2 \frac {\dot t} {t^2}= \frac {\partial L} {\partial x}[/itex]

As I stated, L does not depend on lambda, and so:

[itex]\frac {d} {d\lambda} {[\frac {\dot t} {t^2}]}^2 = \frac {{\dot t}^2-{\dot x}^2} {t^3}[/itex]
So how am I supposed to derive this? Do I add another dot?
[itex]\frac {d} {d\lambda} \dot t = \ddot t[/itex] ? and do I refer to it as an operator? Meaning- [itex]\ddot t = {\dot t}^2?[/itex]

How do I continue? These calculations on classical mechanics were so trivial to me- but for some reason I get lost in here...
Thank you!
 
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noamriemer, There are several different equivalent Lagrangians that may be used to calculate the geodesics. The easiest, I believe, is to use L = gμν dxμ/ds dxν/ds. This eliminates dealing with the square root. So for your case, L = t-2 (dt/ds)2 - t-2 (dx/ds)2. You let t' = dt/ds and x' = dx/ds for short, and write the equations as, for example, d/ds(∂L/∂t') - ∂L/∂t = 0.
 

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