General relativity, geodesic, KVF, chain rule covariant derivatives

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The discussion centers on the conservation of the quantity ##K=V^uK_u## along an affinely parameterized geodesic, where ##V^u## is the tangent vector and ##K_u## is a Killing vector field satisfying the equation ##\nabla_a K_b+\nabla_b K_a=0##. The proof involves applying the chain rule in the context of covariant derivatives, specifically using ##\frac{d}{ds}=V^{u}\nabla_u## rather than ##\frac{d}{ds}=\nabla_uV^u##. The distinction in order of operations is crucial, as the latter introduces an additional non-zero term that invalidates the proof. Understanding the implications of the chain rule in differential geometry is essential for accurate application in this context.

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Homework Statement



To show that ##K=V^uK_u## is conserved along an affinely parameterised geodesic with ##V^u## the tangent vector to some affinely parameterised geodesic and ##K_u## a killing vector field satisfying ##\nabla_a K_b+\nabla_b K_a=0##

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Proof:

So the proof is to use the chain rule that ##\frac{d}{ds}= ## , where ##s## is some affine parameter:

## \implies \frac{dK}{ds}=V^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}(K_uV^u)= V^u V^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}K_u + K_u V^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}V^u## ; first term is zero from KVF equation - antisymetric tensor multiplied by a symmetric tensor, and the second term is zero from the geodesic equation

MY QUESTION - this may be a stupid question, but concerning the order of the chain rule application since the covariant derivative operates on everything to the right...

How do you know to write ##\frac{d}{ds}=V^{u}\nabla_u## as a pose to ##\frac{d}{ds}=\nabla_uV^u##

In normal calculus when you use the chain rule, the order doesn't matter does it? For e.g ## \frac{d}{ds}=\frac{dx}{ds}\frac{d}{dx} = \frac{d}{dx}\frac{dx}{ds} ## ?

But if i try to apply the above proof writing ##\frac{d}{ds}=\nabla_uV^u## I get an extra non-zero term : ## K_uV^u\nabla_{\alpha}V^{\alpha}##

so the proof fails.

Many thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
In normal calculus when you use the chain rule, the order doesn't matter does it?
Yes it does.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes it does.

I never knew this, what is the order?
 

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