Constant along a geodesic vs covariantly constant

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of quantities being constant along an affinely parameterized geodesic versus being covariantly constant. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms within the context of differential geometry and tensor calculus.

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  • Some participants note that being constant with respect to the affine parameter (i.e., ##\frac{d}{ds} K = 0##) and being covariantly constant (i.e., ##V^a\nabla_u K = 0##) may represent different physical concepts.
  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the distinction, asking why the two concepts would be considered different.
  • Another participant clarifies that the derivative of a function in the direction of a vector field does not depend on the connection, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the definitions involved.
  • A later reply inquires whether the discussion pertains to the intuitive differences between the Lie derivative and the covariant derivative.

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The discussion remains unresolved, with participants expressing differing views on the physical implications of the two concepts and whether they are fundamentally different.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions and implications of being constant along a geodesic versus being covariantly constant, indicating potential limitations in understanding or assumptions about the terms used.

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some questions I have seen tend to word as show that some quantity/tensor/scalar (e.g let this be ##K##) is constant along an affinely parameterised geodesic, others ask show covariantly constant.

the definition of covariantly constant/ parallel transport is:

## V^a\nabla_u K = 0 ##for the quantity ##K## where ##V^a## is the tangent vector to the geodesicsimply constant is wr.t the affine paramter

##\frac{d}{ds} K =0 ##

but, it is often the case, to show the latter case, we use the chain rule , i.e. that ## \frac{d}{ds} = V^a \nabla_a## when showing covariantly constant

e.g for the proof that given a KVF ##K^u##, we make use of the chain rule (connections not needed since we are acting on a scalar) to show that along a geodesic ##V^uK^u## is conserved.

But are, simply being constant w.r.t the affine parameter, and being covariantly constant/parallel transported not different things physically?

thanks.
 
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binbagsss said:
are, simply being constant w.r.t the affine parameter, and being covariantly constant/parallel transported not different things physically?

Why do you think they would be?
 
What exactly is the confusion here? If ##X## is a vector field and ##f## a function, then the derivative of ##f## in the direction of ##X## is ##\nabla_Xf=X(f)## and doesn't depend on the connection.
 
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Are you asking about the intuitive difference between the Lie derivative and the covariant derivative?
 

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