General relativity vs special relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between general relativity and special relativity, specifically addressing whether the spacetime warp associated with velocity is related to general relativity and if the gravity from acceleration and velocity contributes to the creation of general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the spacetime warp created by velocity is linked to general relativity, suggesting that gravity from acceleration and velocity may be a factor in its creation.
  • Another participant asserts that no spacetime warp is caused by acceleration or velocity, indicating a disagreement with the initial premise.
  • A different participant states that the curvature of spacetime is invariant and not altered by relative velocity.
  • Another response clarifies that while special relativity describes changes in length contraction and time dilation due to speed, general relativity connects constant acceleration effects to gravitational effects, implying a developmental relationship between the two theories.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the terminology used, suggesting that terms like "spacetime warp" may lead to miscommunication and proposes a more concrete question regarding gravitational effects in different theoretical contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between spacetime warp, acceleration, and general relativity, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings in terminology and the need for clearer questions to facilitate discussion. There are also references to specific theoretical concepts like the Riemann tensor and gravitational effects in different contexts, which may require further clarification.

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Hello, Everybody!

I'm new to the board, and am happy to have found you!

I have six questions I can't seem to find the answers to, either in books or online -- yet I know the answers are out there! I'll post each question in a separate thread, and hope that someone who knows far more than I do will be generous enough to assist!

My first question concerns general relativity vs. special relativity. The question is: Does the spacetime warp created by velocity ultimately hark back to general relativity? In other words, is the gravity created by acceleration and velocity actually creating general relativity?

Thank you in advance for your help!
 
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Starlover said:
My first question concerns general relativity vs. special relativity. The question is: Does the spacetime warp created by velocity ultimately hark back to general relativity? In other words, is the gravity created by acceleration and velocity actually creating general relativity?
That's simply wrong. No space-time warp is caused by acceleration or velocity!
 
Whether or not spacetime is flat is a frame invariant thing. Relative velocity does not alter the curvature of spacetime.
 
Starlover said:
[..] Does the spacetime warp created by velocity ultimately hark back to general relativity? In other words, is the gravity created by acceleration and velocity actually creating general relativity? [..]
Hi, as already mentioned, your questions contain several errors. But it's still possible to guess what you likely meant:

According to special relativity, a change in speed results in a change in length contraction as well as in a change in time dilation.
The basic idea of general relativity was that the effects of constant acceleration - a change in speed - cannot be distinguished from the effects of gravitation. In that way, predictions of special relativity were helpful in the development of a theory of gravitation.

Einstein explained it for example here (in particular from chapter 20): http://www.bartleby.com/173/
 
Starlover said:
Hello, Everybody!

I'm new to the board, and am happy to have found you!

I have six questions I can't seem to find the answers to, either in books or online -- yet I know the answers are out there! I'll post each question in a separate thread, and hope that someone who knows far more than I do will be generous enough to assist!

My first question concerns general relativity vs. special relativity. The question is: Does the spacetime warp created by velocity ultimately hark back to general relativity? In other words, is the gravity created by acceleration and velocity actually creating general relativity?

Thank you in advance for your help!

I'm not sure how to interpret this. "The spacetime warp" could maybe be the Riemann tensor, but then "created by velocity" doesn't make any sense in this context. I have a feeling that we are assigning different meanings to words. This makes communication difficult. If I were to reply with some textbook responses about what GR is, I suspect we'd have the same difficulty in the opposite directions.

Cold you ask something concrete? For instance, would comparing the gravitational effects caused by the low-speed fly-by of a massive body in Newtonian theory to the results that GR predicts for a high-speed ultra-relativistic flyby be helpful to you in answering your question? There is a paper on that I could refer you to, if the answer would be helpful.
 

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