General Solution for ODE: y'' + 6y' + 9y = x*exp(-3x)3x

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The discussion revolves around solving the ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y'' + 6y' + 9y = x*exp(-3x)3x. Participants are exploring the general solution, which includes both the homogeneous and particular solutions.

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  • Participants discuss the method of finding the general solution by separating it into homogeneous and particular solutions. There is an exploration of the characteristic equation and the assumption of the form of the particular solution, with questions about the degree of the polynomial needed.

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Some guidance has been provided regarding the structure of the solution, with one participant confirming the correctness of the homogeneous solution. However, there is a lack of consensus on the form of the polynomial in the particular solution, as some participants suggest that a higher degree polynomial may be necessary.

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Im having trouble with this question. can anyone explain please?

Homework Statement


y'' + 6y' + 9y = x*exp(-3x)3x


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Find the general solution.
 
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Well, the general solution is the sum of the homogeneous solution and a particular solution.

The homogeneous solution (gotten from putting the right hand side = 0) is obtained using the characteristic equation.

To find a particular solution, one can make a clever guess how the solution must look like. Since the right hand side has a part [tex]e^{-3x}[/tex] one can safely assume that also [tex]y[/tex] must have this part. To deal with the [tex]x[/tex] one can guess that the solution must contain a polynomial of some degree. Thus, a clever guess would be [tex]y=p(x)e^{-3x}[/tex]. All that is left is to see which [tex]p(x)[/tex] that will satisfy the solution.
 
Sir Beaver said:
Well, the general solution is the sum of the homogeneous solution and a particular solution.

The homogeneous solution (gotten from putting the right hand side = 0) is obtained using the characteristic equation.

To find a particular solution, one can make a clever guess how the solution must look like. Since the right hand side has a part [tex]e^{-3x}[/tex] one can safely assume that also [tex]y[/tex] must have this part. To deal with the [tex]x[/tex] one can guess that the solution must contain a polynomial of some degree. Thus, a clever guess would be [tex]y=p(x)e^{-3x}[/tex]. All that is left is to see which [tex]p(x)[/tex] that will satisfy the solution.

thanks for the reply.

im working through this question. I am not to sure I am doing it right though.

K^2+6K+9 = 0
therefore K= -3
and y= A*exp(-3x) + Bx*exp(-3x)
y'=-3A*exp(-3x) - 3Bx*exp(-3x) + B*exp(-3x)

y(p)= Ax*exp(-3x)
y'(p)= A*exp(-3x) - 3Ax*exp(-3x)


am i on the right track?
 
The homogeneous solution looks correct, although you do not have to differentiate it. You merely have to add the solutions together in the end, [tex]y=y_H+y_{P}[/tex], so you are done with [tex]y_H[/tex].

In the particular solution you have assumed that the polynomial is [tex]p(x)=Ax[/tex], which is not the general case. In fact, a polynomial of larger order is needed. I think it is easier if you treat [tex]p(x)[/tex] as a general polynomial, and then you will get an expression for the polynomial in the end, when you have put in [tex]y=p(x)e^{-3x}[/tex] in the differential equation.
 

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