General Solution of a Differential Equation with Given Solution y=e^x

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of a second-order linear differential equation given a specific solution, y = e^x. The equation in question is (x^2 + x) d²y/dx² - (x² - 2) dy/dx - (x + 2)y = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the method of reduction of order, suggesting an ansatz involving an unknown function multiplied by the known solution. There are attempts to derive the necessary derivatives and substitute them back into the original differential equation. Some participants express uncertainty about the next steps and the algebra involved.

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The discussion has progressed through various algebraic manipulations and transformations, with participants providing feedback on each other's work. Some have suggested checking algebraic steps and exploring the separability of the resulting equations. There is an ongoing examination of integration techniques and the implications of the results obtained.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct guidance provided. There is a focus on ensuring that solutions derived are not linearly dependent on the known solution.

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Homework Statement



Consider the differential equation:

[tex](x^2 + x) \frac {d^2y} {dx^2} - (x^2 - 2) \frac {dy} {dx} - (x + 2)y = 0[/tex]

Given that [tex]y = e^x[/tex] is a solution, what is the general solution of this equation?

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I don't know where to start...please help :(
 
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Since you are already given one solution, this would seem to suggest using the method of reduction of order...so assume an ansatz [itex]y_2(x)=v(x)y_1(x)=v(x)e^x[/itex] where [itex]v(x)[/itex] is an unkown function of [itex]x[/itex]...If you use the chain rule to find the first and second derivatives of [itex]y_2(x)[/itex] (they will involve [itex]v(x)[/itex] and its derivatives) and substitute them into your original DE, you can obtain a differential equation for [itex]v(x)[/itex] which should be easier to solve. Then just solve that DE and discard any solutions that make [itex]y_2(x)[/itex] linearly dependent on [itex]y_1(x)[/itex].
 
So I have the derivatives (u = v(x)):

[tex]y_2 = u y_1 = ue^x[/tex]

[tex]y_2' = uy_1' + y_1u' = ue^x + e^xu'[/tex]

[tex]y_2'' = uy_1'' + 2u'y_1' + y_1u'' = ue^x + 2u'e^x + e^xu''[/tex]

Putting these into the original DE...

[tex](x^2 + x) \frac {d^2y} {dx^2} - (x^2 - 2) \frac {dy} {dx} - (x + 2)y = 0[/tex]

[tex](x^2 + x)(ue^x + 2u'e^x + e^xu'') - (x^2 - 2)(ue^x + e^xu') - (x + 2)(ue^x) = 0[/tex]

Not sure where to go with it next...my teacher gave a hint that there will be integration of parts.
 
ok, well...to further things a little...

I distributed everything out and added like terms, leading to:

[tex]3u'x^2e^x + 2u'xe^x - 2u'e^x + u''x^2e^x + u''xe^x = 0[/tex]

Using the variable transformation, [tex]w = u'[/tex] and [tex]w' = u''[/tex]

[tex]3wx^2e^x + 2wxe^x - 2we^x + w'x^2e^x + w'xe^x = 0[/tex]

Still looks like a mess to me...?
 
yea, I'm at a halt here..really not sure what to do next.
 
Thumper88 said:
ok, well...to further things a little...

I distributed everything out and added like terms, leading to:

[tex]3u'x^2e^x + 2u'xe^x - 2u'e^x + u''x^2e^x + u''xe^x = 0[/tex]

You might want to check your algebra again; I get:

[tex]u'x^2e^x + 2u'xe^x + 2u'e^x + u''x^2e^x + u''xe^x = 0[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow e^x[u''(x^2+x) +u'(x^2+2x+2)] = 0[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow u''(x^2+x) +u'(x^2+2x+2)=0[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow w'(x^2+x) + w(x^2+2x+2)=0[/tex]

which, when you write [tex]w'=\frac{dw}{dx}[/tex], looks like a separable DE for w to me...you know how to deal with those don't you? :wink:
 
I redid the algebra by hand and got exactly what you got.

Separating the variables

[tex]-\frac {1}{w} dw = \frac {(x^2+2x+2)}{(x^2+x)}dx[/tex]

integrating both sides and solving for w I get:

[tex]w = \frac {((x+1) * e^-x)}{x^2} dx[/tex]

So now u = integral of w dx
 
I assume you mean: [tex]w=\frac{(x+1)e^{-x}}{x^2}[/tex]?...if so, then good...now solve for [itex]u(x)[/itex] using your definition of w(x): [itex]w(x)=u'(x)[/itex]...then finally solve for [itex]y_2(x)=u(x)e^x[/itex]...what do you get?
 
yea...i was editing the equation...still getting used to the code
 
  • #10
[tex]u(x) = -4 e^{-x}[/tex]

so [tex]y_2(x) = -4 e^{-x} * e^x = -4[/tex]

correct?
 
  • #11
so would the general solution just be:

[tex]y(x) = C_1 e^x + C_2[/tex]
Where -4 is included in the constant [tex]C_2[/tex].
 
  • #12
Thumper88 said:
[tex]u(x) = -4 e^{-x}[/tex]

so [tex]y_2(x) = -4 e^{-x} * e^x = -4[/tex]

correct?

nope, I get [tex]u(x) = \frac{e^{-x}}{x}[/tex]

give or take a constant multiplier.

...why don't you show me your work for integrate wdx?
 
  • #13
[tex]u(x) = \int w dx[/tex]

[tex]u(x) = \int \frac {(x+1) e^-x}{x^2} dx = \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx + \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x^2} dx[/tex]

[tex]\int u dv = uv - \int v du[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx[/tex]

[tex]u = \frac {1}{x}[/tex] [tex]du = -\frac {1}{x^2}dx[/tex]

[tex]dv = e^{-x} dx[/tex] [tex]v = -e^{-x}[/tex]

[tex]\int u v' = \frac {1}{x}(-e^{-x}) - \int -e^{-x} * - \frac {1}{x^2} dx = -2e^{-x}[/tex]

Used same method for [tex]\int \frac e^{-x}}{x^2}dx[/tex] with different u du values, and got same answer, adding together got the [tex]-4e^{-x}[/tex]
 
  • #14
arg...made some typos on my calculator...not getting those answers anymore.
 
  • #15
Thumper88 said:
[tex]u(x) = \int w dx[/tex]

[tex]u(x) = \int \frac {(x+1) e^-x}{x^2} dx = \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx + \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x^2} dx[/tex]

[tex]\int u dv = uv - \int v du[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx[/tex]

[tex]u = \frac {1}{x}[/tex] [tex]du = -\frac {1}{x^2}dx[/tex]

[tex]dv = e^{-x} dx[/tex] [tex]v = -e^{-x}[/tex]

[tex]\int u v' = \frac {1}{x}(-e^{-x}) - \int -e^{-x} * - \frac {1}{x^2} dx = -2e^{-x}[/tex]

Do you mean:

[tex]\int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx=\int uv'=\frac{-e^{-x}}{x}- \int \frac{e^{-x}}{x^2}dx[/tex]

...if so, there is no need to evaluate the integral on the right, since you are adding this to your other term:

[tex]\Rightarrow u(x) = \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x} dx + \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x^2} dx=\left(\frac{-e^{-x}}{x}- \int \frac{e^{-x}}{x^2}dx \right)+ \int \frac {e^{-x}}{x^2} dx=\frac{-e^{-x}}{x}[/tex]

...I'm having a hard time seeing where your 4e^-x came from, but this is the way you should have done it.
 
  • #16
the -4e^-x came from using a minus sign instead of the negative key...
 
  • #17
Thumper88 said:
the -4e^-x came from using a minus sign instead of the negative key...

oh, lol...that's why I don't like using calculators :wink:
 
  • #18
been a while since I've done any integration by parts...

ok...so with
[tex]u(x) = - \frac {e^{-x}}{x}[/tex]

[tex]y_2(x) = - \frac {e^{-x}}{x} * e^x = -\frac {1}{x}[/tex]

Sooo...

[tex]y(x) = C_1 e^x + C_2 (-x^{-1})[/tex]
 
  • #19
that is correct, right? just checking, thanks for all the help!
 
  • #20
Looks good to me :smile:

...although your prof might prefer that you make sure y1 and y2 are linearly independent by checking the Wronskian.
 
  • #21
I can do that...lol. Thanks a lot.
 

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