General solution to a 2nd order differential

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to a second-order differential equation given by ∂²f(x,t)/∂x∂t = xt. Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of integration constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the equation with respect to x and t, questioning the necessity of changing variables and the role of integration constants. There is uncertainty about the correctness of their interpretations and the meaning of the appended "=1".

Discussion Status

Guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the nature of integration constants, with some participants expressing confusion about specific steps and assumptions. Multiple interpretations of the integration results are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential constraints regarding the integration constants, which may depend on the functions of the other variable. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their results and the meaning of certain expressions in the context of the problem.

EmmaLemming
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
General solution to a 2nd order differential :(

Homework Statement



What is the general solution of ∂2f(x,t)/∂x∂t = xt ?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea, I tried to follow an example out of the book but it was quite different to this question.

Do I need to replace x's and y's with u's and v's? If so, how?
 
Physics news on Phys.org


EmmaLemming said:

Homework Statement



What is the general solution of ∂2f(x,t)/∂x∂t = xt ?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea, I tried to follow an example out of the book but it was quite different to this question.

Do I need to replace x's and y's with u's and v's? If so, how?

Hi EmmaLemming! :smile:

How about you try to integrate with respect to x, and afterward again with respect tot t?
 


Ahh is it really that simple? Awesome :) I thought there was more to it than that.

I get, f(x,t) = 1/4(x2t2) + Ct + D = 1

Does that seem reasonable?

Do I need to do anything else?

Thank you for your help :)
 


Basically that's it, except for your integration constants.
(I like simple. :wink:)

Your integration constants are not just any integration constants.
When you integrate with respect to x, you get an integration constant that can be any function of t.
Same for integrating with respect to t, where you would have to integrate the previous integration constant, and add an integration constant that is a function of x.

Btw, what is that "=1" that you appended?
 


oh dear..

So do I have to find out what C and D are? ... How?

And I put "= 1" on the RHS because ∂2f(x,t)/∂x∂t = xt

I thought integration of 'xt' wrtx and then t equates to 1..?
Is that incorrect?
 


I don't get what you mean about the "1". :confused:Anyway, when integrating the first time wrt x, you should get:
∂f(x,t)/∂t = (1/2)x2t + c(t)

I'm writing c(t) to indicate that it is a function of t.
Differentiating wrt x will make any function of t disappear.

Next when you integrate wrt t, you effectively integrate c(t) to just another unknown function C(t).

So you get:
f(x,t) = (1/4)x2t2 + C(t) + D(x)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K