Generalising the Ising model to multiple spin values

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The discussion revolves around the partition function of a generalized Ising model in a one-dimensional closed chain with multiple spin values ranging from -s to s. Participants explore the implications of the Hamiltonian and the calculation of the partition function, considering both theoretical and mathematical aspects.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the partition function for a model with spins ranging from -s to s, particularly regarding the interpretation of the Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant suggests that the Hamiltonian's term "the sum over all of the possible spin configurations" should be interpreted as "the sum of all spins," proposing a straightforward approach to writing down the partition function.
  • A third participant questions the validity of summing spins in a system with one particle, noting that the sum appears to be zero, which raises concerns about the interpretation of the Hamiltonian.
  • A later reply clarifies that in a given state, a particle can only have one spin value at a time, and emphasizes that the partition function is based on the sum over all possible states rather than the sum of possible spins.
  • This reply also highlights that the Hamiltonian operates on individual states rather than combinations of states, which is crucial for understanding the partition function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the interpretation of the Hamiltonian and the nature of the partition function, but there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of summing spins and the overall approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the Hamiltonian and the interpretation of the sum of spins, which may affect the understanding of the partition function. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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My tutor asked us today to consider the partition function of the following model as an aside to our topic at the moment.
I went to work out the maths of it today and I'm quite stuck for how the calculation can proceed.

It's a 1d closed chain with some number, n, points. Each point has some value of spin associated with it, with the possible values ranging from -s to s in steps of 1.
With

H=gμB*(the sum over all of the possible spin configurations)
where mu is the bohr magneton.
 
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Let's assume "the sum over all of the possible spin configurations" means "the sum of all spins" (I don't see how anything else could make sense as a factor in the Hamiltonian): You can directly write down the partition function. The canonical one is probably the most straightforward. Also, since there is no interaction term, the generic partition function can be simplified greatly (you'll probably see that once you get there - it's an interesting general result). If you don't know how to write down the partition function directly, approach the problem bottom-up. Write it down for 1 particle, then for 2, 3, then hopefully see a pattern. A bit tedious but there's nothing wrong with taking the pedestrian approach.
 
Okay thank you! It confuses me that the term means 'the sum of all spins' because in a system with one particle for example, if the spin may equal -s or -s+1 ... etc up to +s surely the sum of the spins is zero?
 
The spin may be equal to, say -1 or +1. But in a given state it is either +1 or -1, not both (ignoring QM for a second to keep it simple). I think I see where your problem lies and I thought about ways to explain the issue without giving you too much information about your homework. But I ended up deciding to give you a straight-up reply rather than trying to be cryptic for the sake of not being too clear:
The partition function for the canonical partition function (for example) is NOT exp(-beta * sum of the energies of all possible states). It is sum_over_all_possible_states[ exp(-beta * energy of the particular state) ]. Hence, your statement that the sum of all possible energies/spins equals zero is correct. But it is irrelevant for your task.
Sidenote: My assumption above that the sum in your H means the sum of all spins in a given state, and not the sum of all possible total spins of all possible spin combinations, comes from exactly this: Hamiltonians are functions on individual single- or multi-particle states, not on sets of such states.
 

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