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The discussion revolves around the probability of a woman being a carrier for certain genetic diseases, specifically in the context of having a normal son. The problem involves understanding the implications of carrier status and the transmission of genetic traits, particularly focusing on diseases like hemophilia and muscular dystrophy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of Bayes' Law to determine the probability of a woman being a carrier given that she has a normal son. There are discussions about the correct interpretation of conditional probabilities and the implications of carrier status on offspring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different aspects of the problem. Some have provided insights into the correct application of Bayes' Law, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding probabilities. There is a recognition of potential errors in reasoning, but no consensus has been reached on the final probability.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of conditional probabilities and the specific genetic context of the diseases in question. There is mention of the historical understanding of male carriers and the implications for offspring, which may influence the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement



Some genetic diseases (e.g. hemophilia, muscular dystrophy) can be transmitted to the child only if the mother is a carrier; the father cannot transmit the disease to the child, even if he is a carrier. This type of disease affects only males, carrier females rarely
exhibit any symptoms. In some situations, it can be determined that the probability that
a woman is a carrier for the disease is 1/2 (for instance if the woman is the daughter of a
known carrier of the disease). The probability that she will pass this disease to a son is also 1/2 (since the disease cannot be passed from father to son). The birth of a normal son adds evidence, but certainly not conclusive evidence, that the mother is not carrier of the disease gene. What is the probability that a women is a carrier, given that she has one normal son?

Homework Equations



Pr(A/B) = Pr(AnB)
Pr(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let C - That a woman is a carrier for the disease.
Therefore, Pr(C) = 0.5

Let S - The probability that a woman passes the disease to her son
Therefore, Pr(S) = 0.5

So, the probability that the women is a carrier, given that she has one normal son(complement of S) would be:
Pr(C/S^c) = Pr(CnS^c) ,
Pr(S^c)
Where Pr(S^c) = 1- Pr(S) = 1-0.5 = 0.5

How is Pr(C n S^c) calculated?
 
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First a few comments:
mirandasatterley said:
the father cannot transmit the disease to the child, even if he is a carrier
This was true in the past because males used to die before they could father a child. The daughters of male hemophiliacs are carriers, and may be female hemophiliacs if the mother is a carrier. The status of male offspring of male hemophiliacs depends solely on their mother.

The probability that she will pass this disease to a son is also 1/2 (since the disease cannot be passed from father to son).
You have the probability correct but not the reason. A female carrier has one normal and one defective X chromosome. The probability that she will pass the defective chromosome to anyone of her offspring is 50%.

What is the probability that a women is a carrier, given that she has one normal son?

Better stated as what is the probability that the daugher of a known carrier is also a carrier, given that ...

Let C - That a woman is a carrier for the disease.
Therefore, Pr(C) = 0.5

Let S - The probability that a woman passes the disease to her son
Therefore, Pr(S) = 0.5
This is a conditional probability. The probability that the woman passes the disease to her son is zero if she is not a carrier. Thus you should use Pr(S|C) rather than Pr(S).

So, the probability that the women is a carrier, given that she has one normal son(complement of S) would be:

Do you know Bayes' Law?
I will denote the birth of a normal son as ~S. Therefore you want to calculate the prior probability Pr(C|~S). Apply Bayes' Law.
 
So, since the woman cannot pass on the disease if she doesn't have it:
Pr(S/C^c) = 0, and Pr(~S/C^c) = 0

If the woman has the disease,then the prob. that she has a son with the disease is:
Pr(S/C) = 0.50
And the prob. that she has a son without the disease is:
Pr(~S/C) = 1- 0.50 = 0.50

And if the probability that she passes it on is: Pr(C) = 0.50, then Pr(C^c) = 1- 0.5 = 0.50


According to Bayes' Law:

Pr(C/~S) = [Pr(Cn~S)] / [Pr(~S)]
= [Pr(~S/C) P(C)] / [Pr(~S/C) Pr(C) + Pr(~S/C^c) Pr(C^c)]
= [0.50 (0.50)] / [0.50(0.50) + 0(0.50)]
= 0.25/0.25
= 1
This answer doesn't make sense to me, but I can't see where I went wrong.
 
mirandasatterley said:
This answer doesn't make sense to me, but I can't see where I went wrong.

Your mistake is in bold.

According to Bayes' Law:

Pr(C/~S) = [Pr(Cn~S)] / [Pr(~S)]
= [Pr(~S/C) P(C)] / [Pr(~S/C) Pr(C) + Pr(~S/C^c) Pr(C^c)]
= [0.50 (0.50)] / [0.50(0.50) + 0(0.50)]
= 0.25/0.25
= 1

The probability that a non-carrier mother will have a non-diseased son is not zero.
 
Okay - it's 1 right?
Thank you for all of your help!
 

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