Geodesic Distance & Maximally Symmetric Spacetimes: Why Does it Matter?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between physical quantities defined on maximally symmetric spacetimes and their dependence on geodesic distances. Participants explore the implications of this relationship, particularly in the context of the Euclidean plane and the potential effects of boundaries on such dependencies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that any physical quantity on a maximally symmetric spacetime depends solely on the geodesic distance between points.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind this assertion and seeks proof.
  • A participant describes the Euclidean plane as a maximally symmetric space, explaining that physical quantities depend on the squared distance due to the symmetries of the space.
  • Concerns are raised about how the dependence of physical quantities might change when considering a Euclidean disk, suggesting that the boundary may influence this relationship.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of boundaries on the dependence of physical quantities.
  • References to a specific paper are provided, although it is noted that the paper does not contain a proof for the proposition discussed.
  • One participant points out that a plane with a boundary is not maximally symmetric, indicating a potential disagreement about the nature of the spaces being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty regarding the implications of boundaries on physical quantities in maximally symmetric spacetimes. There is no consensus on how these dependencies change when boundaries are introduced.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the current understanding, particularly regarding the effects of boundaries on the dependence of physical quantities and the lack of a formal proof for the initial assertion.

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Any physical quantity ##K(t,x,x')## on a maximally symmetric spacetime only depends on the geodesic distance between the points ##x## and ##x'##.

Why is this so?

N.B.:

This statement is different from the statement that

The geodesic distance on any spacetime is invariant under an arbitrary coordinate transformation of that spacetime.
 
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highflyyer said:
Why is this so?

Why do you think it is so? Have you found a proof of it?
 
I haven't found a proof of it. I read this in a paper.

This is my understanding of the problem.

The Euclidean plane is a maximally symmetric space with ##3## translation symmetries and ##3## rotation symmetries. Any physical quantity ##K(x,y)## on the Euclidean plane, where ##x## and ##y## are two arbitrary spacetime points, is constrained by the symmetries of the spacetime to depend only on ##(x-y)^{2}##. This is because ##(x-y)## is translation invariant and ##(x-y)^{2}## is rotation invariant. Therefore, the physical quantity ##K(x,y)## depends on the Galilean-invariant geodesic distance ##(x-y)^{2}##.
 
But I am not sure how the dependence changes if we have a Euclidean disk (that is, a plane with a boundary).

My intuition is that the ##K(x,y)## now depends not only on the spacetime points ##x## and ##y##, but also on the 'border.' The dependence is such that ##K(x,y)## for the Euclidean disk tends to ##(x-y)^2## as the 'border' tends to infinity.

But I am not able to carry my intuition any further and write down an explicit form for the dependence of ##K(x,y)## for the Euclidean disk.

It would be really helpful if you share some thoughts here.
 
highflyyer said:
I read this in a paper

What paper? Please give a reference.
 
highflyyer said:
I am not sure how the dependence changes if we have a Euclidean disk (that is, a plane with a boundary).

A plane with a boundary is not maximally symmetric.
 
highflyyer said:
See the final paragraph on page 7 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/0804.1773.pdf.

Ok, this mentions the proposition but doesn't give a proof. Possibly one of the references in that paper does.

Your reasoning in post #3 seems OK to me.
 

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