Geometric Proof for Improper Integral Equals Pi?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integral \(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{d}{dx}(\arctan x) dx\) and its geometric interpretation, specifically why this integral equals \(\pi\). Participants explore various approaches to understanding this result, including analytical derivations and geometric reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the integral can be viewed as a Stieltjes integral, relating it to the tangent function over a specific interval.
  • Another participant discusses the limits of the arctan function as \(x\) approaches infinity and negative infinity, suggesting a geometric interpretation involving the ratio of opposite to adjacent side lengths.
  • Several participants reference the fundamental theorem of calculus to explain the integral's value, but express a desire to understand the geometric reasoning behind it.
  • One participant questions what is meant by "geometrically why is this true," seeking clarification on the geometric significance of the area under the curve of the arctan function.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the relationship between trigonometric functions and \(\pi\) might provide insight into the geometric interpretation of the integral.
  • A later reply proposes that solving for \(y\) in the equation \(1 = x^2 + y^2\) and integrating could yield \(\pi\), hinting at a geometric connection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the analytical aspects of the integral's evaluation but remain divided on the geometric interpretation. There is no consensus on how to visualize or understand the area under the curve of the arctan function in relation to \(\pi\>.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the lack of rigor in their explanations and the need for clearer definitions and assumptions regarding the geometric interpretation of the integral.

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Hi, I came across this interesting integral

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{d}{dx}(\arctan x) dx=\pi[/tex]

I can derive the solution analytically, but I cannot think of a geometric proof. Does anyone know geometrically why this integral is equal to pi?
 
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If you think of it as a Stieltjes integral, it is one cycle of the tangent function (-π/2,π/2).
 
Oops. Sorry, that lower bound is supposed to be [tex]-\infty[/tex] I didn't have the -
 
I understand that if you [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\arctan x = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] or [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow-\infty}\arctan x = \frac{-\pi}{2}[/tex]

That's apparent because your ratio of opp./adj. side lengths is growing very quickly as θ approaches π/2. Until, theoretically you have a tiny adjacent side and a relatively huge opposite side. Then, theoretically you would have 2 angles of pi/2 and one angle of 0 if you take the limit as arctan x approaches infinity. Same can be applied for a negative opposite side, except it'd be -pi/2.

It facinates me how the area under the rate of change of the arctan function can be pi. Don't know why this is.
 
It's just the fundamental theorem of calculus. For any function f whatsoever:

[tex]\int_{a}^{b} f'(x)\ dx = f(b) - f(a)[/tex]

So:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac{d}{dx}\arctan x\ dx = \arctan (\infty) \ -\ \arctan (-\infty) = \frac{\pi}{2}\ -\ \left( -\frac{\pi}{2} \right) = \pi[/tex]

I'm not being very rigorous with the limits, of course, but this gives you the general idea.
 
Citan Uzuki said:
It's just the fundamental theorem of calculus. For any function f whatsoever:

[tex]\int_{a}^{b} f'(x)\ dx = f(b) - f(a)[/tex]

So:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac{d}{dx}\arctan x\ dx = \arctan (\infty) \ -\ \arctan (-\infty) = \frac{\pi}{2}\ -\ \left( -\frac{\pi}{2} \right) = \pi[/tex]

I'm not being very rigorous with the limits, of course, but this gives you the general idea.

I understand this; what I don't understand is: geometrically why is this true?
 
Could you be more precise as to what you have in mind for "geometrically why is this true"?
 
mathman said:
Could you be more precise as to what you have in mind for "geometrically why is this true"?

I think he wants to know how pi could possibly be the total area between arctanx and the x-axis from -inf to inf. I've seen weirder questions, like how the integral containing a natural log contains pi's in it, and how an infinite sum of 1/n^2 has a pi in it. I certainly have no idea how you could figure it out geometrically.
 
If you look at the bottom circle, tan is shown geometrically. If can some how find it's inverse, it might help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometric_functions

What would help more was to find the equation for calculating trigonometric functions and pi or maybe know the nature of the estimations.

Actually, if you can solve for y in 1 = x^2 + y^2 and then do the absolute value of the integral with respect to dx, it should give you pi.

I hope this helps.
 
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