Geometry of Cherenkov radiation

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The discussion revolves around the geometry of Cherenkov radiation, specifically focusing on the Cherenkov angle and the application of Huygens's Principle in understanding the emission of waves by a charged particle moving faster than the phase velocity of light in a medium. Participants explore the implications of wavefronts and the conditions under which they are formed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that wavefronts are tangent to circles used to explain the Cherenkov angle, expressing confusion about the role of interference in this context.
  • Another participant references Huygens's Principle to describe the emission of waves by a charge moving faster than the speed of light in a medium, but expresses uncertainty about its relevance to the initial question.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why points along the tangent line of the wavefront have the same phase, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the nature of radiation emitted by the electron.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion and retracts a previous statement, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the discussion.

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The discussion reflects a lack of consensus, with participants expressing differing levels of understanding and confusion about the application of Huygens's Principle and the nature of wavefronts in the context of Cherenkov radiation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about wavefronts and the conditions under which they are formed, highlighting potential gaps in understanding the underlying physics of Cherenkov radiation.

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As an explanation to the Cherenkov angle, images such as this are offered:
Huygens-construction-of-a-conical-Cherenkov-wavefront-a-charged-particle-traveling-in-a.png

This is used to explain the Cherenkov angle θ at which the Cherenkov radiation appears to be propagating. To figure this angle out however one has to assume that the wavefronts are tangent to each of these circles, so that then the direction of propagation and the observed wavefronts have a right angle between them. I don't really get why. I think I'm missing something very obvious, and it probably has to do with interference, but I can't quite explain it.

To be more specific, take a point where that first circle meets the wavefront. If you wait just a little bit, won't the emitted radiation from the second circle reach that point? Won't it then appear to be coming from a different angle?
 
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This is using the Huygens's Principle for emission of waves with velocity ##c_{\text{mat}}=c/n## by a charge moving with a velocity larger than ##c_{\text{mat}}##.
 
vanhees71 said:
This is using the Huygens's Principle for emission of waves with velocity ##c_{\text{mat}}=c/n## by a charge moving with a velocity larger than ##c_{\text{mat}}##.
I'm not entirely sure how this applies to answer what I said in the end though... I'm also not entirely sure why all the points in that tangent line have the same phase. Perhaps that's why I'm confused.
 
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Wait I see what you mean now about Huygens' principle, but where I'm stuck I guess is why these points are a wavefront, as in why do these points along this line have the same phase, but not some other ones? I think I've misunderstood the nature of radiation being emitted from the electron...
 
Oof nevermind, I was saying nonsense because I was confused. I see what you mean now, thanks!
 
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